Deutz Allis 8000 series plans?
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Topic: Deutz Allis 8000 series plans?
Posted By: DougG
Subject: Deutz Allis 8000 series plans?
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 7:58am
| Seen yesterday an article on FB by a fella from Tractor Zoom that Deutz kept the 8000 series plans tooling etc to take to Germany and produce them then send back over here for sale for their big tractor? I know DA advertising in early years always had the 8000 in brochures, just curious if this was all true, interesting,,, |
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 9:36am
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I do not believe that. Deutz already had their own line of successful tractors. Why did they shutdown AC tractor production in December 1985? They didn't want AC tractors. The only things Deutz wanted with the AC buyout were the combines and the dealer network. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 12:17pm
| Kinda what I thought but at the time he was saying Deutz didnt have anything that big for the US market - supposedly, idk ; at that time i was busy racing cars, drinking beers and chasing the ladies, kinda was away from the AC business |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 12:18pm
| Thats complete BS according to Norm Swinford the blueprints were taken to the landfill, the molds were destroyed, and the machinery was disassembled and shipped to Mexico. The Mexico part I know is true because my uncle worked for a company that was taking it apart and preparing it for shipping |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 12:22pm
| So what happened to it being shipped to Mexico? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 7:07pm
In hindsight, what happened to the "original" AC network that you mentioned??
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DSeries4 wrote:Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 8:39pm
Ask AGCO in the 1990s. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 2:09pm
| I couldn't answer that, my guess is the machinery was sold to some manufacturer for their factories. There was an Allis Chalmers Mexico that built the L4 but doubt if they needed any of the machines West Allis had, they built tractors and the Combines were made in Independence |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 2:23pm
| Thanks for the response KC ! |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 5:55pm
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Sad about Allis shutdown. What was the story with Fiat on the construction side? Did they continue making construction equipment in Allis factories for a long time? Is there a "Son of a HD-41" in production today? |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 6:23pm
| I remember my dealer, telling me that Deutz, which owned 20% of Steiger, was going to have Steiger build the tractors, with Deutz engines in them. When TENNECO acquired the 80% of Steiger, that was the end of that idea. Deutz went looking for some one to make a tractor with their engine it. Came down to Deere or White. Deere had the better price, but White had the better warranty. |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2022 at 11:17pm
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I suspect that the 8000 series plans found their way to the John Deere Waterloo works. The first thing I thought when I saw John Deere's new 7000 series tractors was: "Gee, I have seen these tractors before but they were painted orange."  Wouldn't be the first time that John Deere copied someone else's design. The 3300, 4400, 6600 and 7700 combines sure look like the Massey 300, 410, 510, and 740, minus the turret style unloading auger which I suspect was patented so Deere had to wait a few years to put them on the 20 series. When Deere sued Kinze for copying the Max Emerge Kinze's lawyers proved that Deere had copied everything on those planters from someone else. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2022 at 4:42am
IIRR, the one lasting vestige of AC design, still being built today is the D grader...  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2022 at 7:15pm
The gentleman who designed the AC 8000 cab went to JD after the buyout. That is why the 7000 JD tractors looked so similar. He was on the forum here for several years until he died a few years ago. Unfortunately his name escapes me. I only remember his handle "427435". ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2022 at 11:23pm
| oh I remember seeing that handle |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2022 at 7:35am
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That was Mark, but I don't remember him going to Deere. I remember he worked at White as well as AC. He did provide some nice valuable info about the prototypes and such! I do miss reading his knowledgeable posts! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 11:42pm
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I remember 427/435 laughed at me. I said when it comes to the grain carts, I liked the cab of the 7000 series over the 8000 series. The 7000s had the larger rear side window and no roof overhangs. It gave you far better visibility than 8000 series. He laughed, and said that when they designed the 7000 series, grain carts were still just toys. They didn’t plan back then for the carts we have today. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 6:47am
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Mark’s older (2015) AC post about cabs. Interesting read. He gives his AC work timelines & advancements. https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/427435_topic105893_page1.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/427435_topic105893_page1.html |