What size chisel plow size for a 200
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Topic: What size chisel plow size for a 200
Posted By: 72AC200
Subject: What size chisel plow size for a 200
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2021 at 11:01am
| I have been thinking about getting a chisel plow for my 200. I want to go with a three-point. Are they any good but I am open to pull type. I'm in Northwest Ohio. I have duals, full set of front weights and in fluid in the back tires. I have medium to heavy ground with some clay. I don't know much about chisel plow any info would help thanks. |
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2021 at 5:47pm
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I really don't know how big a chisel you want or need but you will get a lot more/better response on the farm equipment board. |
Posted By: AllisandGleaner
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2021 at 5:12pm
| Gonna say a 9 shank is about all you’ll want I’ve always figured 10-12 hp per shank and it all depends on how deep you pull it as well. 3pt will work the best for your tractor as you’ll be able to get some weight transfer from the chisel the only time a pull type chisel would work better is if you were dealing with a tractor with mfwd otherwise a pull type deep tillage tool is like setting an anchor in the ground behind a 2wd unit. And another thing to consider 9 shank will normally be a two bar frame and will probably work best behind the 200 a 10 shank will be a 3 bar and will make you light on the front end and especially if you hit a hard patch 3 bar will give you better trash clearance and a high clearance 2 bar will also have better clearance over a normal one. Hope that helps a little. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2021 at 7:08pm
| We had to remove 2 shanks of a 7 shanked PT chisel plow to get any type of ground speed/soil-fodder ratio with an XT 190. |
Posted By: mruhlig77
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2021 at 1:00pm
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The weight of the tractor is the limiting factor.....HP is there for 5-7 shanks at a reasonable depth...and how many acres do you have to cover....Mark |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2021 at 7:43pm
| 7 shank 3 pt is a tough pull with 38” in our clay ground. What are you wanting to chisel? We went back to plows in sod ground or a heavy disc for crop follow up. Seemed there wasn’t much soil benefit, pulled a lot of hp, and some mean rough ground to smooth back out. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2021 at 8:58pm
| NO more than 7 if you want any depth. MACK |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2021 at 7:19am
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I pulled a 7 shank min-til with a 101hp 190XT weighted just as your 200 is rated, 2" twists, about 8-10 inches deep in high second with no trouble, clay loam. Speed may have been a little low, but the ground shattered very well. Northern Illinois ground. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2021 at 8:15am
| To pull anything that is high-draft, it takes traction. Traction requires good tire tread, proper air pressure and enough weight on the tire to pull the implement. Bald tires get nothing done. Good tires on a chassis that weighs less than 100 lbs per PTO HP don't get much done either. Engine HP determines how fast you can pull the implement, not whether it will pull it or not. A model 200 tractor with 18.4 x 38 good condition tires with full fluid and front weights should be adequately weighted to pull what you want in high second gear. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2021 at 9:56am
| Glencoe made a 7 shank Soilsaver disc chisel....only seen a couple....thought they would be a good fit for the 190/200's. Worst thing about straight chisel is dealing with trash. If you have to disc first,you destroy your traction for chisel. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2021 at 5:33pm
| Theres an Allis mintill on Aution time or Big Iron - cant remember which one |
Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2021 at 8:05pm
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Had a 3pt. 7 shank chisel, we pulled with 1175 Case. But Had it tied to 400 bushel wagon several miles away, wanted to chisel some ground along creek tried the AC200 it couldn't hack it. We took the 2 shanks off and did my chiseling with it about 12 - 15 acres, gear 2, PD in Hi. Both tractors w/almost new Firestone F&R tires [loaded] & good 50%+ duals. That's the difference in +3000 lbs and 25 more hp in heavy wet clay. ------------- AC 200, CAH, AC185D bareback, AC 180D bareback, D17 III, WF. D17 Blackbar grill, NF. D15 SFW. Case 1175 CAH, Bobcat 543B, |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2021 at 9:27am
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SteveM C/IL wrote:Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2021 at 8:46pm
7 shank Glencoe’s were a dime a dozen they made a few 5 shanks also. Day in and day out the 7 was all a 7000 ballasted up with duals could properly handle. Yes to work the garden I’ve hooked it to the 6080 but that was pushing the envelope a bit. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2022 at 1:19pm
| Pulled a 10 shank chisel with the 190 with 23.1 tires,i just set the stops on the ram to where i could pull it good. Thing is with a 5 shank soil-saver they are a good match for a190/200 without duals but not wide enough if running duals, one tire is in tilled soil. 7 shanks would be good with duals but depending on soil you are going to have your hands full horsepower wise. 3 point a 7 to 10 shank chisel should be ok |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 11:09am
| I have a 185 and a 7 shank 3 point Massey Ferguson chisel plow. I did about 2 acres of medium soil this spring. Had no power issues at all, but had trouble getting traction with the 185. I have 18.3x28's full of fluid at about 60% tread. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 11:33am
| Traction Booster working ?? That's the one huge advantage of pulling anything fully mounted, is being able to use the Traction Booster system. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 12:32pm
| The traction booster was working, but the operator wasn't... I was messing with the levers and about the time I was figuring it out, the clutch started slipping. Point is that in my soil, I had tons of power but was likely on the edge of my traction capabilities. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 6:44pm
| Are you sure it was a chisel plow ? Not a field culivator ?Seems like alot for a 185 |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 6:54pm
That 10 shank and a 190, 3 inches deep by any chance ?
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 8:10pm
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2022 at 9:49pm
| No, more then 3 inches we had straight spikes on it and you do have 10 hp per shank besides that we have fields you don't go all that deep because of stones. You can pull an 18 ft field cultivator more then 3 inches deep. You give a strong running 190 or 200 too little credit |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 12:05am
| I pulled a 7 shank pull type with my 200 in the spring. Twisted shovels did a good job. I had a 3 point JD and only used it once. The plow sat so close to the 18.4x38's I could not get between the tire and plow to hook up the 3 point hitch arms. I have real good loaded Firestone traction Field and Road tires on the back. The Doc is right, you Ned good rubber. |
Posted By: dr p
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 6:18am
| Think we are mixing up implements a little. Not sure you want a chisel plow or a vertical tillage ripper type plow. Rippers pull a lot deeper and therefore do a lot better job of breaking up hardpans/soil compaction issues. Don't see a lot of chisel plows anymore. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 7:06pm
| Exactly Dr P. - pretty sure we,re talking about diffent plows |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 9:02pm
| A WD and WD45 pulled a one shank "ripper" subsoiler. So, a 185 should pull two or three ?? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 6:18pm
No, you are embellishing on the depth/tractor ballasting scenario  !! Our XT190 is ballasted WITH factory wheel weights (in and out) and the drive tires are filled with fluid. She's also dualled up .5 shanks93" twisted) of a P/T chisel in clay/loam will bring her to her knees, and I NEVER liked doing that to the old GAL
 I will miss her dearly  |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2022 at 9:30am
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Allis offered a No. 44 snap-coupler two shank sub-soiler, (never seen one) expandable to three shanks. I have a manual for them, it shows one coupled to a D-17. I think that would be a load for a 17. A third shank would work a 190 pretty good, at least in the kind of dirt I'm familiar with! |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2022 at 7:48pm
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I ran a 5 shank 3pt Mowhawk chisel plaw on my XTD. Loaded single tires Plenty big if you ran it deep.2nd hi. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2022 at 8:59pm
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If you are in an area that has rocks, be prepared for a bumper crop the first 2-4 years after you start using a chisel plow. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2022 at 1:32pm
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My FIL used a 7 shank 3 point on his 200. Duals, cab and front weights. This is with good black Iowa soil. The type of shank makes a big difference. These are I believe 2 inch straight. Ud never pull 7 3 inch twisted shanks here, I don't think. He bough a Glencoe 7 shank with the disks on the front and it would not pull it to satisfaction. ------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |