Oil/Lubricant ??
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Topic: Oil/Lubricant ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Oil/Lubricant ??
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 6:38pm
There was a post last night on NAT from a member that farms and also has a legitimate "REPAIR" business. He warned of his bulk oil supplier of a 27% upcharge in "engine/tranny/final drive fluids  Is this true for those of you "in-the-know" ??
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 7:21pm
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well, gasoline is up 30%.... and propane is close to that.... makes sense ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 7:29pm
No, the "gasoline" cost is "supposedly" NOT involved, I can not speak of the Propane 
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 7:40pm
The $$ of "regular" is still the same for "MULTIPLE" stations "here" for the past 2 weeks, $3.19- $3.39 (within 6 miles  ).
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 8:40pm
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5 gallon bucket of hyd fluid went up by $10 , Hi-Tran for IH or universal fluid also went up about the same - a so called special price sale is the same price as what it was at regular price just a few months back . Seems trans fluid doubled also . News Story the storage area in Oklahoma where pipelines store is low and oil shortage looming - Odd little over a year back the US was producing more oil and exporting but now - we are short oil and might have to import . Ah yes and that Keystone Pipeline was not needed about 11 months back and Sleepy Joe axed it . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 8:48pm
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Coke, any idea of what the $$ of petroleum products "might be" today if "YOURS TRULY" was still "making an appearance" at the WH while tanning on his golf course ('s) ??
YOU brought up politics BTW
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2021 at 9:45pm
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YOU asked the stupid question... Price of CRUDE is up... price of gas is up... price or propane and Nat gas is up... WHY would you expect a cut rate deal on oil ??? Didnt happen "last week"... this is an on going problem for the past 6 months. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 7:44am
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Freed, why do you ask questions when most folks know the answer ahead of time the answer is "political."  Never mind about kicking back some mindless drivel, I will not go there. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 10:48am
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BOTH Grandfathers worked refineries, I likely got explained a lot more than most will EVER Understand of Petroleum over the years I was around them. Crude oil variants are widely spread, from Ultra Sweet darn near to fuel grade right out of the bore to asphaltic Heavy Bunker(Named as was a Ships Fuel same time as Coal) Oil. ALL can deliver a percentage of Fuels, Heavy oils Less and Lighter oils more but are Secondary to almost By Product level to Oils and Greases along with Paraffins(Wax). New processes allow More Light aromatics as Naptha(Gasoline base) to be released but the primary function of Refineries is to produce Lubricant grade materials. Take a gallon tub of base Petroleum produced Bearing Grease, relatively cheap at four to five dollars a tub. From a 42 gallon Oil Field Barrel comes around 10-20 gallons of base Grease, a level of Base petroleum Oils(Gear lubes to motor oil bases) at around six to ten gallons and the remainder is split to aromatics(Fuel Oil and Naptha) with the final component part as Asphaltic Bunker with the non recoverable gasses burned off in flares on those sites. Recovery of Light Aromatics and the entrained gasses leave around 35-40 GALLONS of base stocks where the aromatics are already paid for. At avg $4.50 per gallon tub and get close to 20 tubs that alone $90, then base oils with additives at close to 5 Gallons around $4/gallon, gear lubricant weights and then all the aromatics as well they burn some 2-10% of the base Crude to develop the refining process so little expense there, a $80 Oil Field Barrel has paid for itself usually twice with half of one payoff used to repair/improve and or build the refineries the rest is CLEAR and Clean Profit to shareholders. Residual materials as plastic base, nylon base, other small fractions components are PURE Profit and STILL get paraffins as well. Easy comparison, fill a jar with small rocks til filled, then add a amount of sand to those rocks til fills again, then add liquid again til filled, put a lid on and apply pressurized gas, it will become absorbed/entrained in the liquid. Petroleum is a similarly entrained compound of materials at different boiling points or ability to blend into other semi liquid components.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 1:07pm
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Since we never give you the answer you want Freedguy you tell me why you think the price of dino jucice is up. From a post a week back or so you been down to get your name on the list to get a electric powered truck? You have stated a dislike of unions and unions are the biggest promoter of Dems so why do you like them? As a person I think Trump is a jerk. But he is the first president since Regan that has not crawled out of the muck and mire of the Washington swamp. Nobody that spends time in congress and seems to be able to not get bought by somebody other than the people in the home district. With my time watching the R's are no better than the D's. The current path this country is on will lead to a Chicness dictator controlling this country.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 1:09pm
THANKS DAVE As good a explanation as I have seen about how many things can come from crude.
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DMiller wrote:Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 2:35pm
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Are Welcome
What is wildest, is Grandfather noted after consuming 5% of the crude to distill the remainder of Sweet Crude there were OVER forty five gallons of materials in storage tanks from 42 gallons oil field barrel crude. He ran a part of the refining process BY HAND before the system became somewhat electrically controlled. Men operating hand valves watching pressures and temperatures split out the distillates in the early days. He had issues getting used to MIMIC Boards with electrically operated valves in the 1950s, hard to teach a eighth grade education to accept and trust remote readings. He retired in 1962, at 54 where barely drew any value in that retirement. The refinery had adopted a Semi Automatic control component he could not comprehend.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 4:48pm
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I can understand your grandfathers comprehension and trust issues. I run into that with this device I am typing on.
All crude here is on the thick side. I have heard Kern River sour crude as a description of what is pumped in the Bakersfield area. The San Ardo field just to the north uses steam injection to make it pump better. From what I hear fracking is not used in California with all the heavy crude. There is a now abandoned pipeline from San Ardo to Esttero Bay from 60 to 80 miles had two heating stations to help it keep flowing and pumps to give it more push. They where fully automated about 1970. There is always bits of tar on the local beaches from faults on the sea floor. By 2000 the oil companies gave up loading tankers here, because all the natural oil was blamed on them. They now load rail cars in the field and refine in the LA area. Or may even export as crude to Asia. I know middle eastern crude is better/cheaper to import than clean up local crude to make gasoline out of with all the regulations in The Land of Fruits and Nuts. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 4:56pm
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Central IL is full of Bunker Crude, was recovered until the mid fifties when Offshore and Arab crude was found better, BILLIONS of barrels of the stuff still there. Californians seem to forget LaBrea is STILL there and been discharging goo for forever.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 5:32pm
I asked NO STUPID QUESSTION 60,000 poster !!!!
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 5:39pm
Sadly , I never read past the BLABBERING from a guy from Illinois, BUT, IMO, it's the OIL TYCOONS that can FINNALLY see the "writing-on-the-wall" as far as the ELECTRIC MOTIVE source of propulsion and are HAMMERING their wares for as much $$$$ as they can   !!
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 5:46pm
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The crude from Arabia is a sour crude. The crude from Iran, is much sought after lighter crude, quicker turnaround to make automotive fuels. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 5:50pm
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Freedguy, electricity is produced from natural gas, and petroleum. And sometimes coal. The ‘oil tycoons’ as you call them, also the ones that drill the natural gas wells. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 6:09pm
Lars, I appreciate your replys, but WHY is $$ of engine oil going up as far as crankcase/tranny/differential fluid ? I never mentioned "electrical" generation . Hopefully in the near future , hydrogen power plants can take the place of "petroleum" based energy !!Why did you emit nuclear from your sources of electricity ?? How about hydro generation (water dams)
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 6:12pm
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And own the primary Uranium Mining sites. Takes no less than 200 Barrels of refined petroleum to produce wind turbines, then takes additional 200-300 Gallons of Petroleum lubricants to keep them running for five years. Good luck ending Oil dependence. As for the steels and copper in these monsters add more coal to produce that steel and energy in vast quantities from ALL sources to extract and refine the copper. Each pedestal retaining that column for that wind turbine of at least 2mW electric is around 200 cubic yards of concrete, was mined refined cement that is Kiln formed using Coal or Petroleum as NG does not have adequate BTU value. Stone, sand, clay additives all used petroleum or coal to produce. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 6:19pm
Have you SEEN the parking lots of ANY major shopping center in YOUR neighborhood ?? There's COUNTLESS quarts of leaking "petroleum" products that would make your 200-300 gallons/5 years look EMBARRASSING I'm sorry, your 2-3/5 IS embarrassing
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 6:46pm
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Freedguy, the reason I omitted nuclear, and hydro, is those are not growing segments of electricity production, they actually are shrinking. When was the last time a reactor was built? The greenie weenies want all the dams in this country removed. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 7:16pm
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Again, I respect your sincere replies Lars. I'm not a "huge" fan of nuclear myself, and I was unaware of the dam closures across the nation . IMO, coal is almost as detrimental to the environment as nuclear power though
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 7:47pm
------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 8:09pm
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I see your point about asphalt, my point was true crankcase oil pooling on top of the parking lot .
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Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 8:15pm
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RE: IMO, coal is almost as detrimental to the environment as nuclear power though Right now nuclear looks like the best rout for environmental and economic stability.
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Posted By: bemer848
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 8:51pm
| That oil spots may be from a brew oval truck that somebody did not get the drane plug tight enough after changing oil. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 9:01pm
What is your point? If you don’t want to see oil spots on a parking space, just make sure your vehicle doesn’t ever have a drip, and don’t be looking at empty parking spaces. That’s all you can do. Don’t get all bent out of shape on things you have absolutely no control over. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 9:46pm
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Don’t get all bent out of shape on things you have absolutely no control over. Lars.. old 4000 post FreeGas LOVES being BENT OVER !! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 10:08pm
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Sure glad NO PETROLEUM will ever be needed for Electric Propelled vehicles - they are going to roll on bearings that need no lubrication through tires than need no base material , and the best part is they will travel on roads then use not petroleum to supply the materials , road bed grading , or surface material produced with no carbon based materials . Asphalt will be eliminated, mining will be eliminated, and all electric vehicles will be able to go on long trips in any weather while the driver has no worry about battery going dead, heat inside the vehicle will be comfortable along with no traffic jams that will be caused by many vehicles being stalled after setting in the cold for a hour stalled in heavy traffic . There is no POLITICS INVOLVED - Jut the facts . But solar and wind will be the savior as every home , office, and vehicle uses them and the power grid has the capacity to handle it all . Look at Texas for a good example of what happened when weather creates a new unexpected problem for heat and power. ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2021 at 10:15pm
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I made a 500 mile trip within MN about a week back - Jeep got 24 miles per gallon average over that trip . Now if my vehicle had been electric it would have been a couple day trip as range is about 230 miles maximum for batteries . My one dump truck gets 4 MPG average , the other it seems less . Wonder how big a battery it would take to move 50,000 or a 80,000 GVW total weight down the highway for any distance . Also how much the vehicle will weigh empty of cargo as you don't get paid for the weight of the truck - that's called liability or LOST INCOME ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 4:29am
It is too bad your comprehension skills are so weak. The number I stated is per EACH wind turbine tower times how many Now Thousands are up or being constructed. Enough petroleum to keep a refinery running 24/7 365 just to supply these which entails hundreds of thousands of gallons of petroleum shipped from who knows where and coal by the trains loads. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 4:39am
You have zero clue as to detrimental factors, been up Listening to Green Peace or some other tree hugger broadcasts. Worked within the nuclear power industry for 21 years, not a cleaner end result power supply out there where fuel reprocessing could keep those Base Load stations generating at a lower cost for decades and decades. It is the over hyped incidents due to poor forethought or idiots that have given that a black eye. Are only Chernobyl type facilities in the Eastern Bloc nations, are few Boiling Water reactor stations in the US due to their inherent dirty traits but Japan found them conveniently cheap and fast to construct where placed other than within tsunami prone areas are still effective and efficient. As to wastes the exaggerations are anywhere across the boards as to mass illogical numbers that had they existed would fill an entire state the size of Texas, they do not. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 8:32am
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You have zero clue as to detrimental factors, been up Listening to Green Peace or some other tree hugger broadcasts That pertains to about 100% of FreeGas post... Not having a CLUE is a way of life for him. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 9:29am
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Local energy company Xcel requested a 20% rate increase, their reason, to pay for solar panels. ------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 2:22pm
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Buddy of mine installed his $30,000 "No Cost To Him", After Rebates, Subsidization moneys, and the Magical 'More than he Uses Payback' each month. Rebate made back some $5000, subsidizing money close to another $7000 he was stuck with remainder. Now his power provider has notified will require Upgrade to Home Service Transformer and metering, an additional $1500, then they did notify him he would receive a Reduction on his normal billing AFTER the upgrades are completed, scheduled Next March, was also notified that he will not receive a payback on his solar beyond his usage numbers, is within their rights to do that. In the Mean Time his panels sit on his roof and shine a lot. He is NOT happy.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:15pm
How are you so certain that bearings will require "petroleum" based lube in 15-20 years ?? How are you so certain that the "tires" of the future will be "petroleum" based ?? You sound/act like a guy that CAN NOT believe the future of the internal combustion engine is coming to an end sooner than you like for some reason
, STOCKS in a petroleum company by any chance ?? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:20pm
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Actually bearings may not last that long. But the point is moot, as the cars are only designed to last 10 years. Which is another moot point, as the batteries won't last 10! Do YOU have stock in the electric cos, gassy? ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:31pm
I wasn't aware that I got "BENT" on parking lot observation ,Yet you guys get "BENT" over a simple post topic/point of view and are above reproach ?? If we all lived in Illinois, life would be "AWESOME" I guess
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:38pm
Is there a GOOD reason that you've never given any "WORTHWHILE" info on the Farm Equipment section ?? Sucking up to the TTPP clan is at the very least embarrassing bummer guy
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:41pm
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We can always ‘progress’ back to whale oil, or coal oil. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:41pm
Not if you were there, gassy! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 6:43pm
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I don’t live in Illinois, thank goodness. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 9:54pm
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How are you so certain that bearings will require "petroleum" based lube in 15-20 years ?? How are you so certain that the "tires" of the future will be "petroleum" based ?? You sound/act like a guy that CAN NOT believe the future of the internal combustion engine is coming to an end sooner than you like for some reason
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, STOCKS in a petroleum company by any chance ??It might be I have worked with things that move , things that roll , things with wheels . Also hauled petroleum products from refineries in my work years . Over highways made of asphalt , hauled vacuum bottoms from cracking towers for asphalt shingles , heavy oil for treating RR ties , oil to rubber companies for heat and base product production, hauled diesel to mining operations , to Rail Roads , to peak generating plants when Natural Gas was curtailed from short supplies to run turbines , oil to power plants for boiler fuel for same reason, If you believe solar panels work a 100 % at night or on overcast times and the wind always blows - you are the one with a problem . No source of storage is yet devised to supply the needed power over any period of time to meet present grid demand . I can just see a evacuation out of the path of a natural disaster with miles of vehicles with dead batteries clogging highways - and some diesel powered generator giving each a hour charge to clear the highways . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 4:04am
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Until petroleum was found as having such excellent lubrication properties whale oil and animal tallow were used with less than stellar results. Wagon axles used beef tallow and often burnt up bearing surfaces as the tallow would not remain stable enough in temperature variants. Early steam engines then fuel consuming IC engines would not have been plausible without Coal oils or Petroleum, both of which are essentially organic. Fuel and lubricant oils are already being produced synthesizing Algae after growing that algae using CO2 from a combustion process, the uber green sector are suppressing said technology due to Climate Change Theories which were also Global Warming theories and were as wrong in the 60s and 70s as the current volumes of dispatched bad math will end up. Was reading a counter article on CC where the ‘Math’ had to be adjusted recently to keep the Temp C values rising when actually showed lowering. Science, it is what a scientist wishes to make it until proved incorrect. Climate Models are only as accurate as the data loaded, is an overwhelming volume of data the Climate Gurus will not add into the machines as sends them into overload so cherry pick those aspects to make themselves feel correct. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 4:47am
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Coke, Dave: Your reality will never penetrate the fog of gassy's fantasy...  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 6:33am
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These people just don’t realize the infrastructure for EV, is not there yet. It will be decades before it would be anywhere’s close to the anticipate demand, if was even a ‘all hands on deck’ approach. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 7:16am
Dang it Lars, he "never mentioned electrical generation" !!!
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 9:06am
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and i will say AGAIN......... That pertains to about 100% of FreeGas post... Not having a CLUE is a way of life for him. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 1:42pm
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If he were to capture all his f art gasses, he could maybe propel a city load of people to the moon and back on them frictionless kinetic ball bearings... Oh yea, halloween was last night and his broom won't kick start today cuz it's outta gas... A BTO near here sent in his application for fundings on covering his crap storage pit with a bladder to capture the gas to run a generator... What I have observed since was the generator was never set up, and they burn the excess methane gasses off at the pit at the top of a pipe. It was one way to get state monies to cover his mega cow pit and not shell it out of his own pocket.... just a game for some people to play. Kinda like the games the politicians play these days... using everybody else's monies. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 6:19pm
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If gassy could hook this contraption up to both ends, not only would he make ends meet, But he would be self propelled, too! Do not click on this link! https://youtu.be/n4km6vEgbZo" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/n4km6vEgbZo Oh well, I warned ya! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2021 at 4:47am
| Metro STL finally got their New ALL Electric Battery Buses charged, all four of them. They now have a Substation at ever garage/district site lot for Four Buses, the stations can ONLY Handle Four Buses being charged are separate from the buildings supply substations and dedicated ONLY to charging the buses. The minimum bus parking is for 20 buses, the max as at the Corporate General Office/Main Garage area is for 60, so for ALL Electrics in the system will need 4 additional Substations at the more limited sites(Three) and fourteen additional at the larger sites(Four) as the buses take 3-5 hours to charge, charge too fast and the batteries overheat shutting down the recharge, too slow is not a problem, all that for a six hour routine daily route. The cost for power to feed these exceeds that ability to recapture by ridership moneys by a factor of four. They will still need Brakes, tires, suspension and structural work where no longer need oil changes yet will still need lubricants and coolants for the subsystems. |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2021 at 7:44am
You can bet that KC will be next with this great plan to augment those electric trolleys that they call a big success although they don’t charge to ride so zero revenue. What chaps me is they raised our gas tax, (even though we voted it down repeatedly for good reasons), and that’s where a chunk of it will go. And then they are telling us we need toll roads to pay for needed improvements, “make those that use it pay for it,” is what they are saying but evidently that doesn’t apply to the electric transportation. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |