Road Speed Of Combines ??
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Topic: Road Speed Of Combines ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Road Speed Of Combines ??
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 6:46pm
Talked with a friend of mine that took possession of 2- 2 year old N/H combines that said their "road" speed is 25 MPH  !! Is this common for all class 7 and above machines for road travel ??
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 7:06pm
| bet you could google it. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 7:12pm
So you don't own/operate one ??  I was "hoping" for O/O input
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SteveM C/IL wrote:Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 7:22pm
| I think my 'new" R62 goes over 20....that was January when I drove it home so memory ain't there. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 7:35pm
| Thank you !! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 7:56pm
| drove an N5 about 18 miles one day, it went about 35 MPH. was clocked by the vehicle following me. didn't bounce all over like some do at 15-18 MPH. one of my "G" combines would do about 20, and the other did about 15, same tranny in both. the one that was the slowest was squirely on the road. |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 8:03pm
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Most Gleaner rotaries have been running 22 to 25 since the N series. Anything with a 30.5 32 tire or bigger have been at least. ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 8:13pm
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It’s a good thing I don’t have to road my E anywhere because it’s snail slow on the road. It might be 10 mph... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 8:46pm
| At 25 mph, better have all good linkage on steering. Any thing that steers by rear axel can be squirely on the road. MACK |
Posted By: MikeKroupa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 9:31pm
| Our S78 and S97 do 23 mph plus. Hammer down to the next field! |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 10:20pm
| My L2 rolls down the road 23 mph if you brave enough |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 11:19pm
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Yes. Probably best to road drive any newer rotor combine with your hand/fingers on their throttle/engine rpm speed buttons(1,2,3 rpm settings)to quickly reduce their top-end speeds, if situations demand it. IMO-Engine speed reductions usually make for safer/gentler drivetrain maneuvering than pulling back on transmission hydro lever at high idle. The newer Gleaner rotor combines(maybe other brands too?) have more rear steer axle weight than the older conventional combines. So rotor’s additional weight distribution probably allows them better steer control for higher road speeds? Try roading an older conventional gleaner with an attached cornhead, in high gear. Fifteen mph & things could get interesting because it may not have had enough rear axle steer tire weight. On the other hand, the older 2wd conventionals transverse soft soils if equipped with wider float tires because more of their weight is concentrated on their drive axle. The larger rotor gleaner’s rear wheel assist is much needed in soft soils because of their increased base machine weights too. The L2 weighs 14,700lbs. An N6 weighs 18,820lbs. An R52 weighs 20,840lbs An R75 weighs 28,500lbs. An A85 weighs 37,700lbs. An S77 weighs 29,740lbs. An S98 weighs 33,920lbs. Think these weights are high? Some competitor brand combines can easily add upward of 10,000+ lbs to the Gleaner weights! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 6:39am
Not sure if you're crazy, full of BS, or actually stupid. Sorry.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 10:32am
| Maybe 35 Kilometers per hour, which does calculate to 21.75 miles per hour which is more like it?? on a dual read speedometer maybe the driver was cornfused ?? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 10:44am
Much more likely, and a plausible explanation.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 3:42pm
I believe you I might of had a MH up to that speed. Broke the hydraulic drive belts and the hydro free wheeled and away I went down the hill. Thank fully It did not tip over when the up hill steering brake garbed. Just bounced a few more times and slowed as I contoured it into the hill.We moved as many as 4 MH2's down the road. The oldest most hours machine first to set the pace. The hydro's get slower the more warn they are. They all did a bit over 20 mph. Moved 2 and 3, 50 miles or so at a time, a lot of that on the 4 lane California 101 highway. Then they added a JD 6622, that thing would not do 15 mph. Over the years drove 6 different MH2's. One was always a little more squirrely going down the road than the rest. Several wanted to bounce the back axle more as they aged. We played with things never got like new. Also tried to keep water in the rear tires. But with repairs and all did run down the road with only one watered sometimes, it mattered.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 5:55pm
WOW Shameless  !! The "quickest" machine that I drove down the road was a neighbors Case Diesel 630 with Triple Range, 28 MPH !! Was your N5 "naked" or did it have a header on it
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 6:42pm
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 7:01pm
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We all know ole Shamers sometimes "exaggerates" a little, now and then... Here he is balin hay! https://youtu.be/x4C38Qj2BQ0" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/x4C38Qj2BQ0 ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 8:16pm
Well, that would certainly explain a few things!
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Posted By: Gregor
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2021 at 10:27am
| Years ago, I bought a N6 at a consignment action and neighbor bought a 1660 CIh. We picked up the same day and drove home about 20 miles. He had about a 10-15 minute start on me. I caught up to him about 10 miles down the road and I was not maxing out my speed. He was. We still chuckle about that day over a beer now and then. 1st and only time he was passed in a combine by another combine. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2021 at 2:03pm
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Re: the baling vid Wow! Don't try that at home! ------------- 405, 7000, 7050, 8050, 8070, L3, 2300 & 2600 disk |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2021 at 4:23pm
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My L3 says it does 27 mph, but the app on my phone says 23. I’ve ran Deere 7720 and 8820 for a friend and they’re 12-14 mph. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 8:03am
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Never thought I'd have to worry about speed rating of ag tires, and to have them balanced when mounted!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 8:05am
| L-3's don't do 27 mph. Speedometer needs to be calibrated. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 8:07am
| Not a combine, but the fastest ag unit we ever had was a Ford 6000 with the POS (er, SOS, dang I always screw that up) transmission. Been too long to remember but seems the tach/ speedo said somewhere around 28 mph? You DIDN'T want to actually go full speed, the rear tires would start rocking sideways, steering would get real squirrely, knuckles would start getting really white. Slow down, live longer. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 8:17am
| The mighty Ford 6000 Commander with the 10-speed SOJ (select-a-jerk) transmission !!!! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 8:18am
That would be the one!
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2021 at 6:28pm
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Actually the Silver King highway mowers had a stock speed of a whopping 45 MPH! IIRR, that is the fastest of any stock tractor. I had a MF Turf 20, that had a top end of about 35MPH, that was just plain scary at speed, had bad tie rod ends, so I hadda put both feet against the tie rod ends near the console, to control the shaking at top speed! But I was younger, then! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 8:41pm
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An M-M UDLX would do 40... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 8:44pm
Do you guys still run the machines or still have them? Met a new parts customer from Lancaster with a L2 and C2, so there is more than one Gleaner guy in Socal! ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2021 at 11:56am
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Yes many of them are still around as parts machines. The guy I worked for has been gone 15 years or so. But his step son is still farming keeping 2 MH2's operational. A few years ago he had 6 total. He may have pulled some parts and sent several for scrape. Have not been to his yard in several years. I have a 78 sitting here. Last ran in 13 or 14. Loose sprockets on grain pan drive did the grain pan in. I knew things where not good, had thought I had arrangements made for some to cut my crop. It was time to cut nobody was going to do it. So I started on 200 acres, and got it done. I had a about an hours cutting left the last morning. The grain pan was buckling no question it was gone. But it got those last acres done. Things changed in what was making money here and I need barn space for hay storage and the combine has been sitting outside ever since. The engine is about all that I would call good as it had a AGCO engine kit and rebuilt head in the last 500 hour. I know of one other 79 MH2 that is still running every year. Also know of 3 sitting in a barn with 2 that could run, but don't know if they have. Heard a roomer about another 60 miles north that was running 3 or 4 years ago. Back in the day the JD dealer was the strongest dealer and they had better than 300 95 H's sold over the run of them. Today there could be less than 50 operational combines of all ages and colors in the county. You got me thinking looked at county crop reports 1980 had 150,000 acres of wheat, barley, and safflower in 2020 barley is the only grain crop listed just under 10,000 acres. Which tells you how many combines are needed.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2021 at 9:45pm
| i just tell ya'll what it was, you don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree with me, i don't care. call me stupid?...well it takes one to know one! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 7:06am
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Well, sorry, a careful read of my words and knowledge of my intent would show that I did not call you stupid. I’ve seen lots of smart people do stupid things. I’ve done plenty of stupid things. Driving a combine 35 mph on purpose qualifies as a stupid thing in my book. I’m going to stick with you are somehow mistaken in your facts. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 2:14pm
If you ever need parts I can get them as far as Rio Vista. for anything hillside specific we are parting 2 MH's at the Idaho location. How much rain do you get down there? If cleaned out, its surprising how well a Gleaner can tolerate sitting outside. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 4:48pm
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The rain is all over the spectrum. Eight inches on the low side to 60 on the high end. Twenty is about normal. Are you going to run the MH you are fixing injectors on or just road it to you farm there. Your going to have a real long day roading over 200 miles as you will not average 20 mph, unless it's all down hill. Maybe pulling the header would help, but we never did. For the moving most had 18 foot headers, one 20 footer.We never had any breakdowns on the highway, now looking back just lucky maybe. The closest was the 75 MH braking the rear axle pivot tube off a hour after moving into a new field. Rear frame dropped to the ground. Found the 78 already had twice as thick of tubing. So the next day I drove the 78 MH2 and in the afternoon the drive shaft on the left end of engine broke at the vibration damper plate so it was also dead instantly.
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 1:12am
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Ray, I intend on roading it, I bought a R7 10 miles west of this MH2 and it made the 205 mle journey without too much trouble. Years ago we got a MH2 about 20 miles closer to home and roaded it as well. The DOT pressure in the area is high so I'd rather play dumb farmer. :) This MH2 is pretty straight so id like to put it back in the field. cylinder bars are the main thing it needs. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 2:21pm
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Dave, at the GOTO in Washington, KS a good many years ago, there was a beautiful MM UDLZ. I spent a lot of time talking with the owner. Asked him what the top speed was and he said 40 MPH. I asked if he had driven it at the speed. He said "once". I asked how it handled. He replied " were you listening, I said once" I got the message. Bob@allisdowneast. ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 2:29pm
| UDLZ? Or UDLX? I Googled UDLZ and nuttin'. |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 3:43pm
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Sorry, It was a UDLX. Fat fingers ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2021 at 7:09am
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No worries Bob, I didn't know anything about them and was just curious! Those are pretty, um, "interesting"!
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Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2021 at 7:44pm
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N5 will run 28 to 32 IF the engine has been worked on! ---I know cuz I bought one and got a speeding ticket from a village I went thru on the way home with it --- 32 in a 25 zone by police radar. --- NOT one of my better days. Former owner did all kinds of stupid chit to it! Also it wasnt much of a machine to combine corn with either. Still sittin at a friends place and I have NO intentions of ever driving that pos again ever! --- You could see it runnin 5 miles away due to the black soot it always put out! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2021 at 6:27am
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According to the readout in the cab of my 1460 it does 13.7 MPH on the level, less going uphill. Good thing I only have to road it one mile at a time! |
Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2021 at 1:30pm
| My N5 will max at about 26 but way to squirrely for that if there is no head on it. 19 mph does well w/o heads. Since we got the 20 foot head, there are roads/bridges that are to narrow to navigate anyway. Usually leave a little grain in the hopper and will take the excitement out of the ride.****Not to hi-jack the topic but a twist as it appears I have the knowledgeable audience. I purchased a R5 with a blown engine and to be moved about 50 miles. Thought was using a wrecker but they don't like the 15/20 MPH suggestion...I have ideas of my own but want to hear your ideas or experiences. Thanks...Dale |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2021 at 1:27pm
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We towed a JD 95 with the engine removed by attacking a heavy wall pipe to front axle. Out the back holding back axle up pulled with a 2 ton truck. I forget what was loose but steering was wacky so this worked good. But a lot liter than yours is going to be I would guess. I would think you should remove drive lines from hydro to final drive for that long a trip.
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