Chip & Seal ??
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Topic: Chip & Seal ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Chip & Seal ??
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 6:42pm
Is this practice of county roads maintenance a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP"  , I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks  !!
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 6:51pm
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tar and chip roads are Fantastic... 1000% better than the old dusty / gravel / chuck hole county roads... They did ours 30 years ago... BEST move the county ever did ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 6:56pm
But they do "ours" every 2 years
 ?? And the "chipped" roads do not address pot holes "here"  That pea gravel only stays in a hole for so long  !! |
steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:03pm
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pea gravel is not CHIPS............ and you dont do it every 2 years..... Maybe they need LESSONS on how to TAR and CHIP.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:10pm
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My Great Grandfather started the first road oil business in Madison County IL in the 1920s, found a use for the then Free residual Bunker asphalt from the refineries at Wood River. He built a significant chip and seal road business that he gave to my Great Aunt Laura and her Husband as a wedding gift. The company was sold several times and is still in business doing the Alleys around East Alton Wood River and associated burgs around Edwardsville IL |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:20pm
STOP TAILGATING those in front of you  ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:24pm
| Pea stone is cheaper than chipped stone. When pea stone is used another coating of emollient is applied over the top to hold the pea stone. Emollient is expensive but not as much as asphalt. Your County Road Commission is saving money by only applying one coating and they could care less about your windshield as speed limit signs are posted to drive 35 mph which everyone ignores! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:30pm
Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic
 !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel !! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:33pm
You must live in Cass/Berrien county area
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:34pm
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No road is better than the base it is built on. Then weight of the heaviest loads, so there is enough base it is not buckling and pumping. If the volume of traffic is low a chip seal should last years. The last 30 years or more the county has been chip sealing main country roads when the asphalt starts "alligatoring" ( term from the engineers for cracks). With the idea tar and gravel seals to keep much of the water from sinking into the road base. They hope to get 5 to 10 years out of this chip seal over real pavement. On these jobs after few days they use a rotary broom to sweep all the loose rock off into the gutter. If the job was done right very little loose rock to sweep. Would not surprise me if the chip sealing start here in Calif as a lot heavy tar like oil bubbled up the surface in the old days. Still many of the producing wells use steam injection to thin the heavy oil so it pumps better. When I was a kid most was sand sealing. But today all pea size rock. But it is all sharp angular rock that has never been tumbled down the river. All fresh crushed from bigger rocks. What I think Steve was meaning by saying not pea gravel. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 7:43pm
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RIGHT... its called TAR and CHIP because thats what you do... GEt a good gravel base with no chuck holes.. Spray the TAR on thick... then spread CHIPS ( crushed lime stone and dust) onto the top of the tar.. Road ends up WHITE that night.. Drive on it for 2 weeks and the stone works down into the tar and road turns 75% BLACK.... In 2 months i looks very similar to Black Top... there is no "loose gravel" if done properly. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 8:13pm
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Here limestone is almost never used. Mostly granite I think. A big lime quarry a few miles west of me I would guess better than 1000 ton a day. Never have seen there material used on a road. I think the contracts call for a harder rock than the limestone. I have pile granite (100 yards plus) of chip rock a that was extra from a contractor chipping 20 to 30 miles of road in the area. He wanted a surge pile as he was trucking it over 100 miles and did not want the crew waiting for rock. Had Cat 980 loader 2 scoops per belly dump trailer on sets of doubles. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 8:18pm
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SO, to answer my own question from the variety of locations of replies, C/S is done across the US regardless of the tar/aggregate !!
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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 9:24pm
| No,but I have worked in that area. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 9:27pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 10:35am
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Our county here in Ohio only uses limestone for chip & sealing the road around here and the roads hold up great |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 11:22am
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there is a good percentage of DUST when you use limestone chips.. I think that helps fill in the gaps and pack things tight ............. as compared to pea gravel. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: den/southern illinoi
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 3:44pm
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We were always happy to see the "back roads" gat chip and sealed. But now our great governor who raised our taxes and the price of license plates is doing chip and seal on 6.6 miles of state route 154 going east out of Sparta, Illinois. People can't believe it...loose rock and so far...lots of dust. Thanks gov. ------------- Own 4 wheel 20, 2-5015, 5020 and associated equipment and 2 electric forklifts. |
Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 4:04pm
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In Iowa it's called seal coat and they use 3/8 washed limestone, if I remember right the specification was 100% passing the 1/2 sieve or screen, 50 to 100 on the 3/8 sieve,0 to 50 on the #4 sieve, and #8 sieve 0 to 8 and the emollient is between 180 to 200 degrees when lay or sprayed on the road. This was one of many gradations that I run in the 18 years I was in QC for my former employer |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 6:11pm
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 6:32pm
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 8:40pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2021 at 10:36pm
| Around here I thinking they must be using crushed asphalt now as the the roads are black when they get done. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 4:46am
| Are called Millings, the use of asphalt or pavement milling machines to grade prep for a asphalt overlay they end up with truck loads of Millings that cannot be put back down, mostly smaller chunks of rock with some oil. There are a few businesses around here that are 'Accepting' this waste product for hauling fees to add a new application of Asphaltic oil and more rock to get a quick pour overlay surface. Works good on low traffic and already high density road base that just needs a top coat. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 6:19am
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the 'city fathers' dredid my road 3 years ago. ground up the original 1950 pavement,power rolled it,aded tar, layer of chips,rolled, 2nd later of tar, more chips, rolled. when done it was 6-8" HIGHER than before allowing 4" of ice to form in my driveway. it's a coarser grade 'pebbles',loks like a typical 'orange peel' finish you see on $75K trucks today...Never saw on tape measure, ruler, laser,transit or other device used by anyone...might explain the 1,000s and 1,000s of gallons of water running were it never did before. neighbour's lost 15-20 tandem loads of topsoil so far.... I was told it's cheap....no 'engineering'( tape measures ?) needed, recycled products as well, should last 8 years..so a 'white hardhat ' guy said. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Hoff907
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 8:35am
Here it’s how they fix the highways. Very common |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2021 at 6:31pm
YES Dan  !! I stopped at an intersection JUST this evening ang grabbed a handful, THAT'S EXACTLY what it was  !!No, there are NO broomings of the roadways "here" to alleviate the "chipped" windshields
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