self unloading wagon/haywagon
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Topic: self unloading wagon/haywagon
Posted By: mike 44
Subject: self unloading wagon/haywagon
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 10:09am
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hello ive seen videos of ac self unloading wagons double as haywagons... are they all that way? if so how do they work... not sure if mine opens in the back |
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 4:46pm
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Self unloading wagon? In what way? Could it have been a New Holland Stackliner?
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 4:49pm
| I think he is referring to silage wagons. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 4:51pm
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Ok, that would make sense. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 7:07pm
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Do you mean stripping a silage wagon of the drag chains and front unloader? I guess it would work especially with a baler that has a kicker. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: mike 44
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 10:37pm
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Posted By: mike 44
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 10:38pm
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there is promo video of bailing into self un loading wagons then opening back up to unload hay by hand |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 May 2021 at 6:48am
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Well there you go, proof is in the picture. Actually a really good sales pitch, one wagon does both. Is that a D15 or a D17 pulling the baler? Looks like a series II D15 to me. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 29 May 2021 at 7:32am
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Not sure but I think that wagon has back doors that open and the apron reveres to move the bales out the back. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 30 May 2021 at 5:39am
Exactly ! We had one that we used that way. If I remember correctly, you could only kick about 60 bales into it. Again IIRC, the back tailgate hinged near the top and there were prop rods on the sides to hold it open. The lags turned backward to slide the bales to the back. This was our first self-unloading wagon. Up till then, we has used "false-front" wagons for silage and for bales. The false front was removed and all bales were unloaded out the front. Hay was baled by an AC baler (302 or 303) with a bale thrower powered by a 8 hp. Briggs and Stratton engine. Dad concluded that the self unloading was too small to be beneficial and that somebody was going to get hurt using it. It was also very hard (and unsafe) to unload. It also meant that you had to have a tractor with a PTO to unload and my grandfather's WF (which I now own) had no PTO. Ours was very short lived as a bale wagon.
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Dusty MI wrote:Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 30 May 2021 at 7:25am
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I have used my John Deere wagons without a roof a few times behind my baler. Works ok with a Deere pan thrower but the wagons do not hold many bales and are a little bit of a pain to unload. But when you had more hay than wagons and rain was coming it got the job done. I also use my wagons to pick ear corn into. Tom |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 30 May 2021 at 1:49pm
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Here you go......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3l0iwL0FhI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3l0iwL0FhI Wondering how much hay you could do in a day? Would need at least 2 or 3 of them to keep the baler running....yes? And is that a little Farmall running the hay elevator? Biggest advantage I see to a hay wagon is if doing small runs, bales never hit the ground. If baled dry enough to not risk any mold, you ought to get it to the barn dry. But dealing with wagons seems like it would sure slow things down.
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 30 May 2021 at 1:54pm
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BTW, the video shows a couple hay elevator options inside the barn, which brings me back to a concept I once heard of called a "hay mow", which if I understood right, meant a big opening inside the barn filled with loose fill hay bales. Basically, they dropped in from above and were a jumbled up mess. Is that right? |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 31 May 2021 at 6:23am
| Hay mows in barns around here are the elevated levels/floors (animals were usually on the lower level) hay was stored on. Originally loose hay was put on the mows, in later years bales were piled on them. Some did add conveyors, in the top of the barn, running the length of the barn with "dump offs" to feed bales onto the different mows. Many piled the bales on the mows, some just dumped them, it depended on how much had to be stored as if the mow was open to the center aisle of the barn; bales would fall off the mow onto the floor before the mow was full when dumped and not piled. In later years some put up large open buildings, hay barns with no mows, with conveyors hung in the top of the barn and just dumped the bales off the conveyors into big piles. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 31 May 2021 at 11:12am
| We used silage wagons for allis round bales. Had a new idea loader that pinned to the left front corner of the wagon it lifted the bales up and put in the wagon one guy stacked inside the wagon. Could get 122 bales in. |
Posted By: HOTSTUFF
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2021 at 1:17pm
| New member - parting out some of my Dad's (what I thought was..) less desirable AC collection. In process of selling His 2 beater, Self Unloading Wagon, Original, working. Descent shape, now I know maybe harder to find and great for a collection. What's going rate on a descent/working one nowadays, please? |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2021 at 2:36pm
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put a new post in the classified section. With pictures. Any other allis stuff. Or unidentified orange stuff that could be ac
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Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2021 at 8:18pm
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Still use hay mows here, much better dry storage for hay and a little more elbow grease because the bales get stacked in place. I use (3) barns and fill those first. Our ground holds moisture so a lot of waste when going that route even a few days causes loss. Growing up, we used anything that bales could ride on as it beat picking them up by hand off the field. Most didn’t have money even when NH came out with stack wagons. I was really glad when the round Baler showed up at the farm for demo. My mother bought it for my father in 1980. Only pc of equipment she ever bought. |