Not an Allis,,,but hoping,,,
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Topic: Not an Allis,,,but hoping,,,
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: Not an Allis,,,but hoping,,,
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 8:43am
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OK,,I'm to the point of getting back to a project that I had on back burner and want to finish up to maybe clear up some space around here,,,,  Some time back I cobbed on to a Massey Ferguson TO20 with the Z120 4 cylinder gas engine. The Lady's Grandpa bought the tractor new and had it all it's life until one day he was messing with the carb and the throttle hung open and knocked a rod thru the side of the block,,,,!!! He let it set for many years til he gave it to his Granddaughter. She sold it to me as She made me promise to repair it instead of going to melting pot,,,, I took and cut a piece of old cast pump, trimmed and matched it to the hole in block and welded it up in small sections with some special arc welding rod recommended here,, always keeping the rest of block hot while welding. The repair came out Great and after grinding excess slag looked even better!!! I used diesel to check for leaks and none found!! I had to look all over the country for an intake/exhaust manifold as they had "Lost It",,so I'm bout ready to start getting parts for the overhaul. Does anybody know of a vender of Massey Ferguson parts?? Another thing,,I have never liked those huge front wheels and little bitty tires on the Ford 8&9's or these on the massey,,,
,,altho,,I have seen pics of some of this style tractors with regular style wheels and regular tires,,,??? Anybody know?? |
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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 8:47am
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Are you sure it’s not a TO30? The TO20 had a Z120 engine. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 9:51am
| Agco has some Massey Ferguson parts. Not sure how far back they go. I got water pump and bunch of stuff for an MF175 last year from dealer. That is a newer model tho. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 10:01am
| TO20 and TO30 is Ferguson. Not Massey Ferguson. Pre merger. Was it made in England, USA or Canada. Any tags left on it? They are a fun little tractor. Hope you get it working. 😀 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 10:34am
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Hey Ed,,Many THANKS for the interest,,,,Here's the numbers on the block and the tag. Casting numbers on Btm of left side are Z120 A 600 PP. B82 under those numbers. On the engine tag is SN E148136. on Btm of tag are these characters,,011 011 20 30. On the tag on dash, numbers are SER. TO-50432. Tag has several patent numbers both USA and Canadian . Btm of that tag is HARRY FERGUSON INC Detroit MICH, USA. I guess you are correct,,there is no mention of Massey anywhere,,, Do you know which wheels some people use instead of those BUTT UGLY big wheels and the very small tires,,,???
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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 4:24pm
| Sorry I don’t know much about them but we had lots of them up here in Canada. Lots of the little Ford’s as well. Many small farmers here up here went from horses to the fergie or Ford as their first tractor. Worked well for the small farms. Dad started farming with a Farmall “A”. Said he didn’t know anything horses and didn’t want to learn. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 4:50pm
| Tramway. He did say it had a z120 engine. I think that should be a continental engine. It looks like it is a 1951 model. 1951 ranged from serial 39163 to 60,000. We had a 1964 MF35 gas with continental engine. Massey and Ferguson had merged by then. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 4:53pm
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hey Joe,, if the front wheels are 5 or 6 lug rims,, a lot of the farm replacement places have generic wheels that will fit in whatever width you want, the tractor/implement wheel are fairly standardized,, just mostly need center hole size, how many lugs,4,5,or 6, backspacing,(some vendors show how to measure this) these places also have engine parts
I'd check with All States Ag Parts,, better known as ASAP Steiner tractor parts Shoup there are prolly a lots more,, hopefully others will chime in... |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 6:00pm
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Hey Joe, I cannot attest first hand, but this is a small dealership nearby my neck of the woods, and I hear tell the owner or some other old boy there loves fixing up the older stuff. Worst case you aren’t out nothing but a phone call. I’ll help any way that comes up, not far away at all. Nagy’s 989-653-3173 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2021 at 7:04pm
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Hey there Michael,,it good to hear from you,,,it been a long time,,,ain't it,,?? THis Ferguson has them BIG wheels almost like the Ford 8's and 9's,,,them ugly wheels are bout 17" tall with 4.00X19 tires that are only bout 3" tall,,er short,,,  They must be a whole lot of peoples that liked that wheel design on the 8's, 9's and fergies as there must be Millions of them all over the world,,,,, Hey Thanks TBone,,I'll give ole Naggy a call in the morning.....
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 3:10pm
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Hey TBone,,,finally got ahold of ole "Dan" at Nagy's in Omer, Mi,,,,, Chit,,,he likes to talk and Shoot The Chit bout as bad as I do,,,,, Talked quite a bit before I remembered why I called,,,,, He's pretty knowledgable with them oldie tractors AND He did give me a number to call of who would be able to answer my questions,,so he was a big help,,,,
He didn't know a "TBone", tho,,,,, Thanks for your help!! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 9:21pm
Hey TBone,,I finally caught the Guy with Nagy's,,,chit he's been down at the Texas coast for the winter,,,ain't that NICE,,,!!!
He gave me the number for his neighbor that takes care of the place and I caught him there,,,,,MAN,,,That dude can talk more than I Can!!!!! Chit,,I thought he was gonna run my battery plumb down before I got my questions in,,,, He was headed out the door so he gonna call me back tamarrow and is pretty sure they got what I'm looking for. Many Thanks for your help, TBone,,,!!! |
Tbone95 wrote:Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2021 at 3:40am
| well....at least it ain't a &$#^@* one! you saved yerself! |
Posted By: Phil48ACWC
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2021 at 5:17am
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https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Ferguson-Tractor-Parts.html%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Ferguson-Tractor-Parts.html
Click on above for one source of Ferguson parts.
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Posted By: Phil48ACWC
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2021 at 6:57am
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The TO-20 Z-120 Engine was overhead valve which is a good thing. Click on below for tractor data. http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/001/0/8/1083-ferguson-to-20.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/001/0/8/1083-ferguson-to-20.html
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2021 at 10:31am
Woohoo, good news.
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Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2021 at 6:26pm
| I use Yesterday’s Tractors for tractor parts. Pretty easy to order and they shipped to your house all while sitting in your recliner at 9 o clock at night. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2021 at 9:12am
Well,,,,,,Shameless,,,I AM learnin bout them,,,,,er,,,,UMmmm,,,,,,them things that seem to set you off pretty good,,,,I'm learnin I tell you,,,!!! Tryin to stay on your good side cause one never knows when you might show up with my long lost,,,,,,,,,,tractor,,,, Oh and Phil48,,, Thanks for that link,,,you just can't ever learn too much,,,,, And also ole Tom59,,,,I did wind up orderin from YT,,,that Amber has got such a ,,,,sultry voice,,,don't she,,,,? Chit,,she'll sell you stuff you wasn't even lookin for,,,,, One thing I have found out from ole Doug at Nagy's,,is that this Ferguson TO20 has got (gasp) Ford,,,9N front hubs and wheels,,,,chit,,!!! I just cannot seem to stay away from them friggin Fords,,can I?? Anybody out there gots a pair of the 6 hole hubs for a Ferguson TO20 they wanna sell me?? Gotta get them (gasp) ford hubs off there before ole Shameless completely dis-owns me,,,,,,
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