Building new wagons
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Topic: Building new wagons
Posted By: AC720Man
Subject: Building new wagons
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2021 at 1:29pm
  Helping my buddy build 3 new 10 ton wagons, 20 feet long. He uses a Bale Baron and can get 11 bundles on them. Best thing is using the 160 to move materials around. It’s a sweet little tractor. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2021 at 4:40pm
how is the price of NEW steel doing ? Scrap had been down last summer. I have not bought any NEW for a while.............. what running gear ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2021 at 10:12pm
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Metal is on the way up. Stolzfus running gear out of PA. Omish, I hope I spelled the name correctly. He had been using 8 ton gear but went up to 10 ton so he can haul 12 bundles/252 bales. Oak deck, this will be the 9th 20 footer he is building. He wants to hit 4,000 bales a day. Has about 16 of the 16 foot wagons also. He will have around $3,200/wagon. Thanks Steve for flipping that pic around, I can’t seam to figure out how to do that. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2021 at 10:55am
| Sounds like he has enough experience building wagons, why does he have the main beams so close together? It looks like you could widen them out on the running gear. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2021 at 7:37pm
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They are on 2 ft center. Oak deck boards get bolted at each support. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2021 at 7:41pm
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Oh, the main beams. That’s where the manufacture wants the beams to rest. Sorry, I should have read your question closer. He has been building these for a long time and follows what the manufacture says on placement. Never had any issues and he bales 25,000/year. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2021 at 5:47am
| I would love to see some pictures of the loading and unloading process ! (It might make us feel a little warmer in this chilly weather !) |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2021 at 10:22am
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I have started rebuilding our wagons with 3lb expanded metal instead of oak. Oak prices have gone through the roof and show no sign of coming down or slowing down around here. Attached is a picture of the last wagon I did during the build. I re-used the original 6" channel for the main beams (these are 5-6 ton wagons, so 150 heavy bales max, maybe 180 grass bales on a short haul from field to barn). I beleive the last one I did this past spring ran me around $7-800 in metal, and had I gone with oak 1x6 for decking, it would have only saved me a couple hundred at most without factoring in the hardware, drill bits, and time, but I imagine these will outlive a couple of oak beds during my lifetime. Additional feature of them is that the chaff falls right through the bed and you get good air flow to the bottom in case the bales need to sit on the wagon for a couple days and start to sweat a little. Hurst  ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2021 at 6:37pm
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I have seen a few wagons done like yours. Looks like it would work well. How is it walking across it while loading? Is there much flex? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 7:08am
| Nice. I had thoughts of making a wagon like that for the reason of chaff sifting through, but never have done it. I had considered using the. . . .not sure what it's called, it's expanded metal, but in plank-like sections, with channel edges as part of it. So this stuff you're using is stiff enough? |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 8:42am
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The first one I built using 1" channel on 12" centers. It was an old rack wagon, so it had runners in the center, and then it had rails on the outside edge that had a 1" groove in it for the original wagon floor nad to support the hanging racks, so that is why I went that route). With it, I ran the expanded metal in the "weak" driection (90 degrees from what is in the picture, the long openings going side to side). Being 12" centers, it really has no flex there. I tried it that way on the 24" centers, and that would be too much give for me. Turn it like I have in the picture, though, and it is very stiff and solid. I use these wagons for both squares and rolls, and the roll bales (11 - 4x5 bales to a load typically) do not cause any distortion either. The guys like it much better b/c you don't have nail pops to catch your shoes overtime, or the risk of a rotton board you could fall through as they age. I believe the other metal you are talking about is the steel grating. It would work great, but it is very expensive and heavy. If you do your framing correctly, then the 3lb expanded metal should suffice for a normal hay wagon, as the load is distributed evenly over the surface. Below is a table showing the deflections for a uniform (row "U") or concentrated (row "C") loads per sq ft in relation to the span of the supports. If you are designing a 20x8ft flat for 8 tons, you would theoretically have a 100 lb/sqft load. You can use the chart to predict the deflection. This is taken where the span is taken with the long opening going between spans (Like in my picture above). https://www.brown-campbell.com/development/products/info/expanded-metal/expanded-metal-projection-mesh" rel="nofollow - https://www.brown-campbell.com/development/products/info/expanded-metal/expanded-metal-projection-mesh Hope this helps. It took a little bit of research before I felt comfortable with my designs I came up with, but maybe this can help the next person with a little better starting point. Hurst ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 8:43am
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I should note, I have found one downside to these wagons... don't fall on them! They will leave your knees and hands in a little pain. Hurst ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |