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Topic: drawbar question for a B
Posted By: jlbintn
Subject: drawbar question for a B
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 11:42pm
This looks to be an original B drawbar, but it doesn't look like everything needed to get it in working form on the tractor.





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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 6:02am
Yes John that is the swinging drawbar, the "a" shaped piece bolts to the "u" shaped piece in the direction they are facing. Then the drawbar "fork fits the "u" piece and bolts to the "a" piece.    It seems to me that you don't see many B's with this setup.   Bill Long will be able to tell us if it was standard equipment or if it was extra........ right Bill?


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 7:54am
The only thing that looks to be missing are the "Hammer Straps" to attach the drawbar to the final drive housings and a couple of bolts to attach the swinging drawbar U piece to the standard drawbar. 

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 9:31am
there are two BRACKETS that mount the U shaped drawbar to the final drive case.. and there are two BRACKETS that hold the drawbar up to the seat frame



vertical braces below



attachment bracket / pin for each side into final drive case 




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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 10:04pm
Sorry I am so late.  However, as Steve states, the swinging drawbar was an "extra" for the B. Also to my recollection there may have been brackets that went from the drawbar to the seat frame to keep it steady
Good Luck!
Bill Long


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2021 at 11:37pm
Thanks, Bill.

I'll keep everyone appraised on the progress.  I may be able to manufacture the seat frame brackets, if I can't find them.


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2021 at 9:03am
some had brackets made from steel strap... some had a turnbuckle for minor adjustments.

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Posted By: 1947WC
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2021 at 2:11pm
We use to  have a hitch that looked like that ,  It had a long handle  to move it side to side it was called a side hill hitch. 


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 1:14pm
Got the drawbar yesterday. I have the two final drive brackets already, they were used on the farmerized drawbar that came with the tractor. I don't have the two stabilizing braces. I was hoping to get it on the tractor today, but we are getting soaked here in this part of Tennessee. 

It was really good to find this, as I have noticed they are very hard to come by. Ended up paying $419 for it, $80 of which was shipping. The seller allowed me to work out payments over the last few months. 

I still need to get to the hydraulics, but the tractor has drug a couple of big oak and pine logs to a place for proper cutting. It will be nice to have a hitch setup so I can drag my trailer to the mulch pile, or to where I need to pick up wood to burn, instead of logging a wheelbarrow across half of the county just to get what I need to the other side of the county Beer


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Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 1:39pm
What if one doesn't have the seat rail support brackets? Are they essential?
Would you be flirting with a broken final drive casting if using the draw bar without them? Any stories?


Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 5:13pm
Originally posted by BrianC BrianC wrote:

What if one doesn't have the seat rail support brackets? Are they essential?
Would you be flirting with a broken final drive casting if using the draw bar without them? Any stories?

I have 2 B’s. I’ll need to look but think one has the seat brackets and the other doesn’t. Both have the drawbar. I have two swinging draw bars that can be mounted but don’t use them.

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 5:24pm
You better have at least one of the upper braces or you could bust the final drive case. In a steady flat pull on a log might be OK... but a trailer tongue will put the weight DOWN... also when you mount the drawbar without the braces, you will notice the bar will move up and down an inch due to the clearance around the mounting bolt into drive case.

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Posted By: 1939Dodge
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 8:41pm
Drawbar braces are on EBay. $54 for a pair. Plus shipping. Kammerer Inc. make a number of repro parts.


Posted By: 1939Dodge
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 8:42pm
Steve, what book did you get the rear photo of the drawbar from?


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 9:10pm
I cant find the EXACT drawing now.. Very similar drawing in the AC - B or C "operating instructions and maint manuals"... part no 257986 or 257985.

You can make the hanger straps from various things.. I have one tractor that has like 1.5 x .25 inch strap .... i have one that has  turnbuckles someone obviously bought at the hard ware store.......... and i have one that has 1/2 inch allthread.... Probably costs $10.... i think a lot of guys decided the "needed" the anchors and  "home made" them.  The "standard" drawbar did not include the straps...the "ASAE" did... PULLING is ok... If you want to put down pressure on the bar ( trailer hitch, etc), then add some type of straps.


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 9:16pm
here is a good read on why you need the STRAPS... and the same drawing from Dick L.

https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ac&th=123480" rel="nofollow - https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ac&th=123480



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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 9:07am
I used all thread for my swinging drawbar supports. you need supports the extended length of the swinging drawbar adds leverage and it will droop when you add hitch weight. the hammer straps are  only about 4' between the pin and bolt. the seat support straps are  another foot and a half further back. the all thread was extreamy easy just a slight bend near each end nuts and washers on each end and its solid.  


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 12:29pm
Well, it's never as simple as it should be.

Somebody manufactured the pin assemblies on both sides. I was able to get the threaded cap bolts out with no issue, but the clamp pin is another issue altogether. 

Here's what the situation is. First picture is what was on the tractor. Second picture is the right side final drive unit, and the clamp pin, or what looks like is left of it. Both sides are the same. They're not coming out, and both look to have been broken. Were I able to get the drawbar on, it would suffice, but that's not happening. The old farmerized drawbar was either purchased (or manufactured) with this setup in mind, or when it was installed, something broke on the clamp and somebody improvised. 

All guesses on my part, obviously. Only way I can see to get that out, is to cut and drill. It's not budging, and I don't think it would be a good idea to heat it with what would be necessary to break it. Unless I'm missing something.  I'm open to suggestions. 






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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 7:09pm
It kind of looks like the original pin was stuck in the hole and would not come out.. The guy cut off the "bar" and left the "pin" in the hole... Then made a 2 piece draw bar to fit over it ? ..... You could check the diameter of the PIN sticking in the case and the diam of the HOLE in the new drawbar to confirm this. .... If that is the case, then you need to get ONE of the pins out of ONE final drive.. You could then slide the drawbar up at an angle and pilot on the ONE STUCK PIN.. then lift the drawbar up and put in the OTHER PIN... Your "PIN and BOLT" on one side could be two pieces.. dont need the strap between them.

 I think i would try to grind the outside 1/2 inch of the pin and make it square. Get an impact stocket and impact gun and try to BUDGE it... I think some heat would be OK.. Not much there you can hurt........... If all else fails, you can cut if off flush, then drill a 1/4 inch hole thru the center of the pin, then keep going up in size until your NEW pin fits.




if you look at your NEW PIN/ BOLT ......(BELOW)..... it does look like the guy cut the ARM off and left the PIN in the hole.... I have seen quite a few TIGHT ones.. I have sprayed with penetrant like you, then beat on the arm trying to TWIST it .. and have the arm break off... HEAT is normally your friend, and impact  will help instead of hammer.



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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 7:17pm
John... i dont know if you are a welder or not... You could take that old plate and set back over the pin and WELD the pin to the plate... that would give you something to BEAT on to try to TWIST the pin.. Would also put some heat into the pin ... probably even need MORE heat. .... if it dont work, your going to cut the pin off anyway to drill into it.

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Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 10:49pm
Good tips, Steve. Thanks. 

I'm a novice at welding, but my MIG only works effectively up to 1/4 inch stuff. My neighbor welds and has a better setup, so that's an option. 

I already started cutting the pin, but left enough to work with on both drives. Enough to grind it square and put an impact on it. Good idea. My neighbor and I are coming up with a plan. He has an oxy setup, and we're going to explore heating it. If all else fails, your idea to grind it flat, then bit by bit ream it out is where I'll go.

I've got two new pins on order and also found the brace set mentioned earlier in this thread, and got a set. 


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 10:56pm
Normally you would heat the case to EXPAND it to remove a stuck bearing, etc... In this case i would heat the PIN... it will have to transfer  THRU THE RUST to get the case warm / hot... that should break some of the bond loose.

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Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 9:45am
A close look at the inside drive casing, especially the right side, it appears as though the plug is part of the case housing. Wacko


It's going to be a hoot, trying to grind those plugs square, not slipping and "decorating" the inside drive housing with "character" scars. Tongue


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1949 Allis B


Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 11:11am
the strap was originaly held to the pin by riveting to the pin. we welded the strap to the pin use a lot of heat.  wack the strap back and forth use some freeall. it should come out. as a last ditch take swap the right and left final drives and use what are now the front holes they will be in the back after swap.  I helped dad swap his back in the 70's thew bolt holes were stripped over sized twice and stripped again. as I stated in the other post use the upright drawbar supports. all thread works great.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 3:52pm
John. the plug is not part of the case. They are PINS that are heavily rusted into the hole.. You need  HEAT and BEAT to get them out.... IMPACT or weld the plate back on the PIN and beat back and forth as Dave said.

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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 8:26pm
If you just want it on and don't care if it comes apart easy just jack and block the transmission take out he brake cover bolts and seat bolts on one side. Remove the 4 final drive bolts on that side and slide it out 1 1/2" put the draw bar in slide the final drive back in and bolt everything back. I did it on my C many years ago I welded a pipe across between the plow mounts. I built a grader blade that attached to them and they put to much side force on the mount welded a pipe across tight between the to pins. It never moved again. Had to pull a final drive to get it out put the woods mount on and put it back in. Was still that way when I gave it to nieces husband.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 9:32pm
Now thats a great idea... If the pin wont come out !

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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 8:54am
The very first B I ever bought had the final drive drawbar bracket bolt holes stripped out. A previous owner did something along the lines of what Dave mentioned, with a bar going from hole to hole... But they cut the bar in half and welded a bolt and nut into each side, so you could thread the bar in or out and it would get wider or narrower, and you could remove it without pulling a final drive.

Well, you could have decades ago... By the time I got it, the threads had rusted too much and I had to just cut it off. Anyways, I thought it was a good idea.

But, you couldn't do that until you got the existing pins out, so that doesn't help much right now.


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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 12:05pm
i just had to do that on a c that i just got,  just start working the pin with a pipe wrenchand blowing air around it to start clearinig the rust it will come out or weld a 1 inch nut to it it with a little gap gap so you can pry and turn then put a new piece of round on the strap and be done with it


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:25am
Well, it's done. My neighbor was hesitant to want to apply oxy, even though I told him I wasn't going to hold him responsible. 

Sooooo.... it was drill baby drill. 

Finally got it done yesterday. Using a battery run drill and a power drill, finally got both sides deep enough to put in the new clamps. The power drill broke away from me a couple of times. Sore hand notwithstanding, that could break one's hand, considering the angle one has to work to drill in that area. 




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1949 Allis B


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:27am
btw, my drill bit collection grew during this phase of the project LOL

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1949 Allis B


Posted By: Luke114
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:37am
The best way to collect new tools is on frustrating jobs like this!  I had to remove the same seized pin recently.  Used a pipe wrench to spin while getting a pry bar behind the wrench for some pull.  In retrospect, taking a few more minutes to weld on a nut or plate would have saved me time.  Not a comfortable spot to work at all.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:39am
Looks good........... dont forget to add a couple vertical braces / all thread , up to the seat bracket to stabalize everything.

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Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 9:44am
Frustrating, indeed. It took the better part of 17 days to get those old pins out. As I reamed out the old pin by increasing the bit size, I was really hoping that the force of the bits would finally break it loose, but it never did. The rust bond really took hold. The right side final drive hole got reamed a bit when the power drill broke loose (and tried to break my hand) several times and it's a bit oversized on the bottom. I may take the bar off and apply a braze to it, then re-drill the opening, but as of now, the drawbar is in there tight.

I previewed the support braces and there is a gap of 1/4 - 1/2 inch at the top, so that's the next hurdle. 


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Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 10:01am
Actually, the gap is a bit wider than what I posted. 



edit to add

looks like raising the drawbar might close that gap. 


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 1:14pm
The holes in the drawbar that the 5/8 inch bolts go thru normally have 1/16 inch clearance around the bolt.. Loosen the bolt and the drawbar should move up and down an inch or two.. If not enough, ream the bolt hole, or add a few washers on the vertical brace to fill the gap... pin hole  out of round is not a big deal.. basically just need  metal for the pin to PULL against.. after everything is TIGHT, should not be a problem.

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Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 2:09pm
Flipped the drawbar and the braces fit like a glove. I need longer bolts for the brace mounts on the drawbar, but for now, it will do. Also got new cap bolts to replace the studs, and never-siezed the crap out of both. LOL




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1949 Allis B


Posted By: jlbintn
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 2:14pm
I don't know whether anybody can tell by the picture, but something flexed the drawbar at one time. There is a slight bow in it, at the middle hole, extending out on both sides. I don't know whether it was manufactured that way, but it looks like there was some stress put on it at some time in the past. 

Could that be a side effect of not having stabilizer braces?  


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1949 Allis B


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2021 at 3:20pm
Its possible.. the braces are going to help a lot.. Enough down pressure on the drawbar and the front tires will come off the ground before it bends NOW..

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