D14 torque tube overhaul bearing & seal kit?
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Topic: D14 torque tube overhaul bearing & seal kit?
Posted By: nx08634
Subject: D14 torque tube overhaul bearing & seal kit?
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 11:06pm
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So I'm replacing bearings in the torque tube. I lost a bearing on the shaft above the PTO (intermediate shaft)? My question is there a kit that contains all the bearings and seals for this job? I don't want to have to pull this apart again ever. So I figured I'd replace all the bearings. Or is it cheaper to take the time and shop for everything individually? Any advice for reassembly welcomed. I just got the last of the shafts removed today and plan on getting it all washed out before putting it back together. Thanks for the help! Tim
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 11:08pm
| I'd upload some pictures but I don't see that I can. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 7:11am
| Never was a "kit". One piece at a time. |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 7:31am
| If you have the bearing numbers,you may be able to save a little by shopping around. That's your choice. A service manual would be helpful to set the shaft bearings. You may need a variety of new snap rings. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 7:33am
| Refill with universal hydraulic oil. MACK |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2020 at 9:44pm
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You can see all the things you need and their part numbers on the AGCO parts book website. I am on that site all the time! ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 2:26am
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BTW it's a 58 D14 Thanks for the input everyone.
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 2:28am
Do they offer a snap ring kit?
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Lynn Marshall wrote:Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 2:29am
| I was careful to keep track of which snap ring was where. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 5:31am
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If there's even a hint of oil coming out of the brake rod slot area, you should replace the diff/axle oil seals. sorry, more sluggin of heavy cast... The original seal is 1/2" wide and no longer available. the replacement is 1/4" thick so two nicely go in. National oil seal # is 471765. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 5:40am
| I probably will! Now is the time. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 5:47am
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hmm, is there ANY oil coming out of the PTO lever ? THAT can be replaced while the tractor's 'split'. 50 cent o-ring..... Always wondered if an oilseal could be added as a 'deflector' and additional seal but for me to find out, I'd have to split my#1 ride here. That 'grrrrr' seal has always 'irked' me... every time, everyday I see it.... sigh Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 7:48am
| No snap ring kits available today,as far as i know. The original snap rings may not be correct with new bearings, that's why they have a variety of different sizes available. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2020 at 11:49am
| I think when I had my 220 apart some thicknesses of snap rings were not available...be forwarned |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 1:14am
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[QUOTE=jaybmiller] hmm, is there ANY oil coming out of the PTO lever ? No oil leaking there, but am going to replace a the rubber orings. |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 1:15am
Thanks for the heads up. I have access to a surface grinder so I can always make a thick one thinner.
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 1:20am
| So I was trolling the net looking for AC part #s. I looked at the AGCO site without any luck. I have bearing #s off the ones I removed, but the seal #s aren't giving me any results. I have a I T manual coming but not sure it will have part #s. The Jensons manual I have is ok but not everything that I was looking for. I will inherit this tractor at some point so I'm not wanting to just cobble it up. |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 1:36am
I figured out the pictures! |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 5:50am
Please explain what you mean by looking at the AGCO site with no luck, maybe someone can help you. The D14 parts list with numbers is there. If you were looking for something specific and didn't see it, knowing what the issue was might get help on solving it. The AGCO site is not one where you purchase parts on line, if that is what you were looking for. You can get the part numbers there to do online searches with and you can talk to a dealer/parts suppliers, using the part number and correct name, when looking for parts. I have found the AGCO website works better with Google or Firefox, than IE, Bing, or Edge. The I&T shop manual is not a parts manual, it might have an odd part number or two, but not all part numbers. To me the I&T manuals supplement OEM manuals based on the couple different ones I have. As far as I know a Jensales manual is either a copy of the OEM manual or an I&T manual. I believe the D14 one is a copy of the OEM manual. Just my thoughts. |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 5:59am
| I was looking for part numbers for the bearings/seals in the torque tube |
Posted By: Alvin M
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 6:12am
| Agco Parts Books .com D14 Than Go To Page 148 All The Part # Are There |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 6:14am
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you might ( should...) put some wooden wedges at the tierod ends/axle. it'll keep the wheel straight and FIXED. I found out the hard way they can move real FAST when the back of the engine goes a bit wonky. from 'itll be OK support'. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 6:32am
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Jay, Look close a the top of the axle. It appears to have a block or wedge between it and the casting to prevent tipping. As I mentioned before the browser you use may make a difference. I found the site works best with Google. Using Bing or some other browsers, I didn’t always get the drawings, it wouldn’t return to the index, etc. You need to look for clutch, power director, transmission, differential or PTO parts. If you were looking for torque tube bearings and seals, they are not listed that way. 1. On the homepage click on: ” View Books”. 2. Enter D14 in the model search box. The Book title (D14 TRACTOR; AUXILIARY MOTOR - D14) and publication number(79001548) should appear 3. Click on the publication number. 4. Clutch and driveline parts start on page 144 and go through page 174. I see shafts and gears on page 168. 
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 9:04am
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Yeah I saw them slippery 2by6's but unless tapconned into the concrete(hard to tell with my eyes..), they can move mighty dang fast.....I KNOW a 4by4 'wedge' did !! safety first....we only have 10 fingers and toes.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2020 at 9:52pm
I'll give that a try. Thank you!
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 12:19am
| OK I've got a list of part numbers now. Where do you guys recommend as the place to shop? |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 2:48am
So doing some searching for bearing co.'s and found  had all 4 part #s I needed and 1 of the seals. Total was about 265$ but I need to call because one they wanted a stock check on. So I may check with my guy at Motion Industries and see how he can do. I'll have to buy the throw out bearing from somewhere else along with a couple seals, orings, and gaskets. I feel like if I can get this done for 500$ I'll feel pretty good. Once I get the torque tube done and back on the front end I'll look at the hyd. cyl. and the reverse gears looked pretty rough but they worked ok before I tore it done so not sure what to do there. Making progress.Thanks for all the leads & help!
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 2:49am
| BTW I went with Timken & Federal bearings. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 5:20am
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When you get the throwout bearing, buy the 'pilot' bearing as well,saves a lot of cussin 'I shouldhave...I shouldhave......' Also make sure the clutch fork is on the 'tranny' side of the cast iron 'tab' NOT the engine side... somehow mine was 'engine' side and you have to resplit the tractor to correct that 'booboo'. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 5:22am
| Will look at that, I put a new clutch in in 04. |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 9:50pm
| Well I got all the bearings and one set of seals ordered through Motion industries. I get a company discount through them. So hopefully I'll see them early next week. I'm still looking for a source to order the remainder of the AC part#s if you guys have any secret sources please let me know. Need some orings, seals, snaprings, & gaskets. Oh and a throwout bearing. |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 1:13am
| I'm having a hard time finding seals 70256909 & 70227677. I need 2 each. |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 6:35am
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Have you tried the vendors who advertise here, like Sandy Lake, DJs, etc.? I think some of these folks will have them. Have you tried an AGCO dealer? Internet search using the part numbers? 70227677 (old numbers 227677 or 0227677, sometimes the old numbers work when the new ones don't) crosses to two a choice of different National seals: 414268 and 450539 Just some ideas. |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 8:27pm
You can call us @ 920-598-1287, A&W Tractor. We have 256909V aftermarket version of seal, should be able to help you with all gaskets and any bearings. Throwout bearing, pilot bushing and torque tube o-rings too! We have 1000's of NOS & new A-C parts. I did run some snap ring #s and most we don't have but a couple we do. ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 11:35pm
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Thanks Alex I'll be giving you a ring in the next couple days Tim
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Posted By: nx08634
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 4:22am
| All back together and running fine. Thanks everyone! |