190xt disc?
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Topic: 190xt disc?
Posted By: John m
Subject: 190xt disc?
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:30am
| Got a question for ya's. Got a 1965 190xt. Trying to figure out what size disc I should look for. Live I the UP of Michigan,rocky and heavy land. Was thinking of a Kewanee 1020 and either pull the wings or just not fold them out. Any ideas? |
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Posted By: John m
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 5:37pm
| Just bought a JD 310 which is 14 foot. I think I'll be alright. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:05pm
Can you elaborate on what a 1020 is ?? I will "assume" the 20 denotes 20' ?? If so, how wide is the "main" frame ? We can pull a White 356 wing fold (18' wings out) decently with our 190 XT in chisled ground but not setting any speed records
 The main frame is 14' and we leave the wings up to disc corn stalks for weight purposes/ digging. |
John m wrote:Posted By: John m
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:23pm
| Hooked up to my brothers Kewanee 1020 (22 foot) and pulled the wheels up. Stopped my tractor and just started spinning. Tires are loaded but I haven't found duals for it yet. I just bought a JD 310 that's 14 wide, pick it up tomorrow. Fresh plowed ground. The smaller one will work for now. Don't want to take out the drive being silly. It's an early 190xt. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:37pm
IMO, you could have triples on your 190 and unless your in 1'st gear/Hi pd, you'll never pull 22' of disc 
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Posted By: ranger43
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:46pm
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kewannee 1020's are heavy !! the disk will bury itself if you let it. that would be quite a bit for a 190 in heavy ground I would think |
Posted By: John m
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 6:55pm
| Heck, I had to try. Lol. Your right, it's heavy. Think I'll leave that disc on the 1066 and just go with the smaller one. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 8:38pm
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Are you talking about a cut or offset disk, a leveling disc? Lots of different disks out there. I pull a AC 2200 bat wing, 20’ leveling disc after a plow or offset disc has cut up the ground pretty well. The mighty XT has no trouble pulling it. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 8:58pm
| Dad pulled a 490 IHC 16' with his early XT. It was a heavy disk, it was all he used for tillage. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 5:28pm
WOW !! What gear/range may I ask ?? Turned up? How deep? Diameter/spacing of the blades? Sand/clay/loam/driveway rock?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 8:33pm
| 190XT advertising literature shows them pulling 20 ft 2000 series discs. If a D-17 can pull a 13 ft 200 series, why wouldn't a 190XT pull 20 ft 2000 series ?? There are four factors in determining how hard a disc pulls : width, weight per blade, blade diameter and blade/gang angle. |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 8:56pm
| I have a 13’ 470 ih disk that will work an 8050. It has 22” blades and 2600 pounds of weight on top of it and cuts 5-6” deep. The same tractor pulls a 22’ 490 2” deep at 6mph. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 9:00pm
18' White 256; 9" blade spacing; chiseled clay/loam, it's a load for our dualled 190 XT  . I keep forgetting that there are ideal soils in other parts of the country  . Discing stalks is a breeze though 
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 3:57pm
 I pulled it in 4th gear at 2,000 rpm in this particular field due to some large limestone rocks I had to avoid. I feel she would pull it in 6th at 2,000 rpm if I would not have had to worry about looking for the rocks. Yes she has had Ed’s magical touch in the pump but that doesn’t come into play until beyond 2,300 rpm for pulling season lol. I keep her below that on the farm because it has all the power I need. She runs a constant 170-175 degrees even in the summer according to the temp gauge. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: 190xt MN
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:00pm
| I’m pulling a 520 Massey 14 ft disk with a Nobles harrow on the back with my ‘70 xt series3. It handles it very well despite the fact that it pulls pretty hard for a 14 ft disk. Duals would be a great help in our sand ground! Never short on power, just traction!! 38in rubber would be a plus too, but I got a deal on two long short bar 18.4 34’s on rims that were at around 85% tread, for $600.00. Couldn’t turn that down!! |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 6:14am
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The AC 2200 series manual has a picture of the 190 pulling the disc so it must have been designed for it. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 5:44pm
You and another poster have brought up this "2200" series disc in a "PICTURE"
. What size (width) is this machine?? I've seen "pictures" in the early '80's of a Chevy pick up pulling a crap ton of rail cars and "pictures" of a Burger King Whopper, but my whopper NEVER looks like the "picture"  . Sadly. I've learned NOT to believe everything in an advertisement "picture" |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 7:40pm
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Norms book clearly shows a picture of a 190 pulling a 20 ft 2000 series disc. The XT pictured above is mine. The disc behind it is 20 ft total width belonging to my brother Charlie and I. I had just came out the 6 acre field that I disc for my neighbor free of charge because he doesn’t have a leveling disc. My XT performed as I said it did. I don’t need a video or picture of it in operation as proof because I was in the seat operating it. Charlie and Dr Allis both gave you factual information. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 7:44pm
 ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: housemover
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 10:49pm
| Farmed most of my life with that type of tractor if you dual an early 190 up and pull that size disc you will be repairing the rear end!!! I love the 190 would rather drive it than a 4020, or 806/866 any day of the week but that's still the fact. Drop back to a 16' disc with 22" blades and It'll last forever & do a better job. Your teeth look like they are worn down to 17 or 18 inches Big Difference in how hard it pulls & the Quality of seed bed left behind. Not being critical just facts. Diesel experts telling us for years drop engine RPM's 30 % and on average (in same conditions) & you will increase engine life by 50 %. Never load a truck or trailer over 75% and you"ll notice a similar increase in tires, brakes, and springs. The same rule of thumb goes for pulling your tractor guts out. There are far more 190's in the real world pulling 16 ' than 20'. You can enjoy your day more with less stress on you and the tractor if you put that 20' disc (with 22" to 24" teeth) on a 200/210 7020/7040 size tractor. Housemover |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 6:30am
 Manual
------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 8:12am
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I pulled my 2500 disk yesterday with the 200. It is 19-1/2' or 20'. Was plenty for it but if it had duals it would be OK. Pulled it in 2nd gear high range. Plenty of power but in the wetter clay hills it would spin. Like I say duals would have eliminated that. I really didn't think it would pull it at all but my 7050 needs a hydraulic valve repaired as one valve suddenly got stuck and so I only had a little over 50 acres to do and I thought I give the 200 a try. I wouldn't want the 200 to make it's living pulling one that big but is certainly was capable. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: John m
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 4:20pm
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Wow, didn't be mean to get any arguing going about disc size. I guess size really does matter. LoL. Appreciate all the responses. Good info. Bought a JD 310, 14 foot. Pretty heavy disc, now I just gotta find some axle mount duals to stop the tire slippage. Pretty hard to find. Thanks again for all the responses, I just love this forum. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 6:24pm
Yet again, NO width specs and I'm not going to google it
. Looks like the Burger King ad pictures to me LOL!! Any D series tractor could pull your "pic" on a concrete/gravel driveway in the "transport" position  |
Posted By: youngorange2000
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 8:06pm
| both of my xt's play with my 16ft deere with 19 inch deep cones, blade angle makes a big diffrence |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 8:50pm
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Unless you compare exact models and soil types this thread is pointless. We pulled a 18 foot Deere with the 7000 easily went to a much heavier Sunflower disc pulled behind a 8050 MFWD. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 6:19am
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Pulled a 10' offset, needed fluid in tires! [TUBE]iVf0vhKgVkY[/TUBE] ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 7:19am
You like to poke, don't ya?! No width spec.....true, but you can certainly eyeball it is much, and I mean much(!) wider than the tractor. But yeah, they probably are just pulling it out of the factory to the parking lot, OR, they're out to get ya', get you to buy that disc so that you then have to buy a new bigger tractor!
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 7:55am
| One can count the total number of blades and figure the width knowing what the blade spacing is. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 8:33am
------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |