Degenerative disk
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Topic: Degenerative disk
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Subject: Degenerative disk
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 5:28am
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Have anyone of you been diagnosed with this. That’s what saw bones tells my wife is wrong with my back. Of late it’s causing a lack of sleep and I’m getting tired. Seem to be lifting and moving a lot of heavy stuff at work lately. I’ve still got 10+years of construction work ahead of me. Just wondering what eases your pain. I’m not interested in pain pills. I’ve taken so many ibuprofen in the past ten years I believe they cave caused problems also. I have quit taking them except on rare occasions when I just can’t stand it. I also Have arthritis in my knees. Dr wants to scrape the arthritis from my lower vertebrae’s to get a better look. Has any of you had this done? |
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 7:31am
| Thad, I wish I could help you my friend. Prayers for you, I hope they can find a way to help you. Personally don't have it, but close to a couple who do. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 8:00am
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30+ years. Chiropractic care helps a great deal. And so does your diet. But what's helped me most is an ointment - https://www.drchristophersherbshop.com/product_p/dco210.htm Can also get capsules for working inside-out. Yes, I'll get disputes from some BUT: The proof is me. I gave a tub of it to a friend who had suffered from wrist pain most of his working life. Very debilitating. He was very skeptical but had that look of, "Well, Tim's my bud, so what the heck..." As soon as he started rubbing it on, he turned to his brother and said "FRANK!! IT DON'T HURT! IT DON'T HURT!!!" They forgot I was even there, both excited about it because even as a kid he used to wake up crying at night. Easing pain isn't the main thing it's doing for you. Fixing the problem is. Your mileage may vary, no two people are the same. But IT WORKS. You MIGHT need to have someone apply it to the area of your spine; I manage on my own but it would be significantly better if someone were available to help. It IS a little greasy-ish because of the wheat germ and olive oils as the base. But I don't mind one bit!  ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 8:43am
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Lets make it a hot link... http://www.drchristophersherbshop.com/product_p/dco210.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.drchristophersherbshop.com/product_p/dco210.htm ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 9:47am
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This should help answer some of your questions. https://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/degenerative-disc-disease" rel="nofollow - https://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/degenerative-disc-disease I have 3 disks that are pretty much gone. Have you had it for long or are you in the beginning stages. You'll probably need a MRI to answer that. Many different things work or help many different people, it's kinda poke and hope. Seems one thing will work for a while then have to search and try something else. Hot soaks, inversion table, and stretches help me, but I need Oxi here and there at times to get through some days and I hate the crap. I wish I had a cure for everyone it's depressing to live with. I wish you luck in your search. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 10:15am
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Hey Thad,,Man,,I sure feel for you,,,seems all us older folks share the same physical ailments ,,,but you are getting some good advise ,,That I may try myself. One thing I'd like to add is that,,when my wife started dialysis,,the first thing they asked her was is if she took Ibuprofin regularily and of course she had used em like candy and the nurses there told her there was strong evidence of a link between ibuprofin and kidney deteriation(sp). I asked her WHY the guvment did not address this and she just shrugged her shoulders. Big Pharma,,?? They did tell her to STOP using it. Maybe Jenn can add to that?? I know construction is your specialty, but it does involve so dang much lifting, pushin and pullin and a constant STRAIN on your lower back. Chit,,,, even hammerin makes me hurt sometimes,,!! Perhaps, maybe it's time like ole Lars a few weeks ago, and many others here,,it time to look elsewhere,,,,? The thing I worry bout is that the same back that has held you up for so many years,,,,,,may be the one that cannot hold you in a precarious sitiation and cause a bad accident,!! I don't know, Good Buddy ,but make every decision from here on out based on what is best for your long term goals. Wisht I could help more,,,,,,,
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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 10:16am
Already had MRI last summer. |
chaskaduo wrote:Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 10:23am
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I keep crutches in the house and walk on them when the pain gets near unbearable. Just the weight off helps tremendously. I’ve had this since I was young. Farming irrigated ground on a Green tractor with a stiff seat got to me. I wasn’t heavy enough to spring the seat. Every night my step sister would pound on my back to get it to quit. It’s gotten gradually worse Through the years. A couple years back I lost patients with a couple winners on my crew and showed them how to move 8x8’s. I been paying for that for near ten years. Doesn’t take much at all to get out of wack now. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 11:11am
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"Some mistakes we never stop paying for." One true saying. ------------- I need more than 200 characters for my "signature." I'd love to see that changed to 250! |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 12:19pm
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No magic fix that I ever heard of. I was 24 just married when I moved something that I never should have. It has been a thorn in my back ever since. I was farming on my own, some how with the Lords help I continued on. But you need to learn there are some things you just cannot do. I take it you really like the work of building thing, but you need to balance that with the long term if you back just quits on you from over doing it. But if the medical world wants to do a fix on your back. With luck it will take the pain,but must remember one moment of carelessness could take it all away to start over again.
I have never had anything better than taking to the Lord,will be remembering you in prayer. |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 12:35pm
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Thad, That's what happened to me in early 200's. Finally, in 2006, after 100's of chiropractor trips, different exercises and pain management including three different shots of something in my spine, I got to where I couldn't walk more than a couple hundred feet without stopping. Had to watch my right foot to make sure it was under me to walk even at that. Acquired spondilothesis is what Doctor told me. I had no disk left between L3-L4, L4-L5, and only a very little, (25%) between L5-S1. I was 60 at the time. Still doing good, though not nearly as active nor able to do what I used to do. Now have L3, L4, L5 and S1 fused together and metal pins brackets holding it all together. Some things are especially bad. Just standing and using weedeater seems to bother me the most. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 6:14pm
Best money I spent so far it the Teeter inversion table. I bought a used one offa craig's list fer $50. One word of caution, that damn thing weigh like 80 lbs, so have help, if you have stairs, to huck it up... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 7:34pm
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Diagnosed Degenerative Disc disease in the late eighties, struggled thru it until 2016 when gave in for lower back surgery, found too much arthritis to do any better there but investigated my neck where was worse. Got two implant discs at C5/6 and C6/7 to replace what had degenerated nearly completely. Returned feeling to fingers and forearms, gained feeling in hands that would go away for weeks and has not done that since. Was getting where could hardly enjoy riding my Harley as hands would tingle out. |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 9:40am
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I have three compressed disc in my lower lumbar (one was fractured) from a parachuting accident. Stretching, and on a regular basis before it starts hurting, has worked well for me. Also looking to get an inversion table.....I also like to grab the top of a door jam and kind of hang a little (6'5" so that takes some creativity) but it all tends to help. Also find laying as flat as possible on a good firm mattress or hard surface (carpeted floor) for 20-30 minutes helps......and when the wife finds me asleep I just tell her my back was hurtin and just needed some attention....must have drifted off. I also have several different medications, but seldom use, to help with pain or muscle relaxation. good luck ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 11:43am
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Scott that’s why I use the crutches. I just let my weight hang and it helps better than anything I’ve tried. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 1:06pm
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I have degenerating spinal disease too,--- had it most of my life and 4 surgerys later still suffer. They removed as much of the bottom disks as they could. just moving around hurts, bending over is out. Gardening is done laying on creepers, and working under equipment is totally out now unless its upside down. Neck is fused now so I can't turn my head to look behind me. I tell everybody to never get behind the equipment when I am driving it. Never found any pain killers that worked, so I dont take anything. The arthritis is all thru my body as is this prostate cancer that has spread because they didn't get all of it out. Bad health is taking a toll on us old guys! Everybody hang in there and keep plugging away! ----- Beats the alternative! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 1:11pm
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BIL has had surgery and all, but he still says the only thing that helps is his inversion table. I'm gonna look for one of them and see if it helps mine. I've got arthritis BAD in the back and even worse in my neck. I'll be praying for you Buddy. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2020 at 10:51pm
| What's that old saying? "If I knew I was gonna live this long I'd have taken better care of myself!" 41 yrs driving a truck hasn't helped |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 1:33am
| I also have degeneration and arthritis in my lower back. I've had it since high school. I saw bunches of back crackers and docs, do have a prescription for hydrocodone but only use it when it's unbearable, also have the muscle relaxants that is needed when I stiffen up when the sharp pains come from the back. I don't take them either unless really really bad. last 3 specialists I've been to all read the early x-rays and ones ordered by them, all 3 told me that surgery would only pad their pockets and wouldn't do me any good as i'm still up and walking. if I selected the surgery I have to make the decision of being in a sitting position or a standing one. sitting means a wheel chair and standing...well thinking about it, I don't think I could poop without making a heck ova mess! and i'd hafta have a pulley system or some kind of a lift to get up outta and inta bed, plus i'd hafta cut the roof off my vehicles to drive them! I had one of them shots put into/around my lower spine, that helped a lot but only lasted about 6 months, and if you did anything strenuous you could still feel the pain. I can't walk to far before I have to find a place to land and sit awhile, then i'm off going again. lived with it most of my life, will prolly live with it the rest of my life. good luck on yours, I hope something/someone can help you out! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 3:25am
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I "Think" I've told ya'll bout my left shoulder issues,,,,Lord knows ,,I've got enough ailments botherin me,,,,, Anyway,,I finally got an appointment with our new PCP and he tells me I have a "Pretty good amount of Arthritis" in the shoulder,,,,. He had agreed to give me a Corto-steroid shot in the shoulder as lond as I checked my sugar several times during the day for bout 4 days as the shot was going to raise my blood sugar quite a bit,,,,,Chit,,I told him I was to the point that I would agree to just bout anything cause most of the time my left hand was pretty much useless and just hung around me with no strength,,,,, I'll swear thet friggin needle was over 4" long and the tube of medicine was just as long and thick,,!! Dang,,when he hit the nerve or whatever,,it made the arm jump and I met it going up,,,,WHOOoeeeeeee ,,,Chit,,but did that hurt,,,he asked me ,,did I want him to stop? I told him Go, Go, chit the needle was already in me just as well finish up. It has taken 3 days for most of the pain that has been there for so friggin long,,but yesterday was first time in a long time i could raise my arm out away from my body with it hurtin so bad,,,, My blood sugar shot up to over 400 for 2-3 days and am glad I had that little machine to let me know how high it was,, My hand feels so dang good altho the shoulder lets me know it is still there but don't have that constant pain. I even got to where I can skip the CBD and the hydrocodons,,,to an every other day or so,
The Dr told me I should be able to get that shot bout every 5-6 months,,,, |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 5:52am
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for DJ and others... https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/cortisone-shots/about/pac-20384794" rel="nofollow - https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/cortisone-shots/about/pac-20384794 interesting read about 'side effects'... dang scary about the blood sugar going up for a 'few' days..... I've got paper thin discs L3-L4-L5 do to mototcycle accident..sigh,found that out years later, as chiroguy, saw some xrays in room,told doc 'this guy must be in pain, them don't look good', he say, 'you tell me they're YOUR xrays'... getting old sux... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 6:21am
| Cortical Steroids will work awhile, just caution as they do wear off and they promote degradation of a already damaged joint. I had two spinal block attempts for pain management, failed, had CS injections three times and only made it madder. Not all get as far or as severe where most can manage day to day with stretch exercises and relaxation techniques, a old fashioned steam bath and a trip into the Rockies where found the Hot Springs was wonderful for myself. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 6:28am
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L4 been my problem for many years. Also, like Joe, I have Arthritis in my shoulder, but its the right side, and of coarse I'm right handed. Pretty tough tryin' to work under a dash wiring or working overhead without a lot of pain. I don't know which is worst sometime, my back givin' me Hell or my shoulder. Sucks gettin' old. I do some Aleve' once in a while, but I don't like takin' pills either. A hot marathon shower concentrating on those two area's helps sometimes for me. Retirement from the Heavy Equip job that I do everyday is getting close. Actually, it can't come quick enough!! Building wiring systems is much easier on the body... LOL! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2020 at 11:12pm
| one thing I have used quite a bit is SALONPAS patches. I think they have something like BEN GAY in them, but they do work! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 3:51am
Ten Four on the Salon Pas patches,,,
They do help. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 5:13am
Where do you get those? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 5:23am
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Hey Thad,,Walmart has em ,,kinda a white box with green and blue lettering. Two sizes, and I usually get the 2" X 3" patches. Good Luck,,!!!
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 9:30pm
| sometimes the pharmacies put them behind their counters, sometimes they are out on shelves. there are larger sizes that Joe talks above. but I too use the 2x3 inch ones. just stick them on where it hurts. I have even wrapped them around my fingers at work when they would hurt from typing a lot. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55pm
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You know,,Shameless,,I never thought bout wrapping some on my fingers,,,,
Usually when I come in for the day,,my fingers go to pulsing and hurt some fierce,,SO,,,I'm gonna try some ,,, |
Posted By: Keith M
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 2:01am
| As the saying goes, I worked like a Hebrew slave since I was 13. I’m 61 now. I had a couple accidents that damaged neck and low back. Then in 1999 broke my neck in a fall. In 2005 destroyed my neck from C-2 thru T-1 inclusive with 100% compression of all L & S levels. Neck doesn’t turn, twist or tilt. I drink through a straw always. I pushed the low back pain in my little box and trudged on. I woke up July 5th 2010 and couldn’t move or feel my legs. I had been raking hay every day for the preceding 3 days. After emergency surgery I have cauda equina syndrome , a big fancy word for little or no bowel or bladder control. Now I’m disabled have a hard time walking because of messed up balance which will never return. I used to be a mans man with 18.75 inch biceps from hard work. I never lifted any weight until rehab. Now it’s 10-15 pound lol. Be careful. Listen to your doctor. Just because you can push through the pain like I did. Do you Really want to be afraid to go anywhere never knowing when your bowels or bladder will let loose. I know all about depends. But the looks you get in a restaurant or in line, insert store name, when your bowels move. Then the clean up after getting home while sitting in your mess. Not a future I’d wish on anyone. Be careful they can’t fix messed up too bad. Keith |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 4:33am
| Man O Man I hear ya!! Broken back(Dislocated) in 1977, dealt with opioids for a nearly a year when my own body built resistance to them and quit them. Have had incidents since and none fun where essentially compressed c4/5-c6/7, a few in the Thoracic region are damaged but standing tall, low back is a mess and I work thru a lot of stiff days, sore days, have learned my limits and try to stick to them. Mid sixties now, loads of Arthritis, hands, knees, back and shoulders from wrenching FOREVER, doing tough work no help, and am just about to that end where I have to slow a LOT or just give up the heavy work. |
Posted By: Dan Hauter
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 1:14pm
| I've been going to a chiropractor for 7 years for degenerative disc disease and spinal stenosis. We'll all get degenerative disc disease if we live long enough. The chiropractor was successful in relieving pain in my neck and shoulders. My MD recommended "Aleve" because it has Naproxen in it. That's more powerful than ibuprofen. When arthritis began to effect my hands my MD prescribed "Meloxicam" which was very effective with my hands and helps my back, shoulders, and neck, too. Can't take Meloxicam with over the counter naproxen or ibuprofen. Ice packs help, too. I bought some gel packs from my chiropractor and keep them in the refrigerator. I also bought a back belt from my chiropractor which helps when I'm lifting or driving a long distance. Stretching exercises also help. Spinal stenosis is arthritic changes to the spine. Almost a year ago I started experiencing severe back pain. Chiropractic was ineffective. After my insurance company insisted on an x-ray of my back (which my MD said was useless), and a minimum of 12 sessions with a physical therapist or chiropractor, all out of pocket, the insurance company finally approved an MRI. Then began the search for a competent orthopedic surgeon who wanted to treat a patient with diabetes. I found Dr. Herbert Biel at BJC (Barnes, Jewish, Childrens) Illinois Medical Group in Belleville, IL. While being coached through a review of my MRI, I could see what the problem is in my lower back. L2, L3, L4, and L5 are full of arthritis build up and the arthritis is squeezing my spinal cord nerves, thus the lower back pain. The solution is to have surgery and have those vertebrae cleaned out so there's no pressure on the spinal cord nerves. However the insurance company insisted on steroid injections to help ease the pain. The 1st set of injections were amazing. I felt significant relief within a few hours. Then the benefits started to wear off. I've had the 2nd and 3rd injections since. Never did get back to where I was right after the 1st injections. But I'm better than I was before the injections. At the end of December I was having stabbing pain down both legs almost to the point of making me quit what I was doing. Now I have pain that is manageable and tolerable. Stretching exercises and ice packs help a lot and the Meloxicam is helping. The surgeon agrees with my regular MD that I should keep using the Meloxicam. I go on Medicare April 1 which may put surgery back on the table. (I also have Scheuermann's Disease which is a whole separate chapter.) Hope there's some info. in this bio that helps! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 4:08pm
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Thad, Back off the work thing some how! Hope all the folks on here with cronic pain and back issues can see some improvement! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 6:10pm
Chris I’m seriously trying. My occupation isn’t a good choice for my condition. It’s all I’ve ever done. I don’t know anything else. I tell people my dream is sacking groceries at the local grocery store. Gonna have a hard time giving up the $$$. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 6:46pm
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Cortesone, a steroid, will do much more harm than good in the long run. Sure first needle..ahhh.. this is great no pain. Then it wears off, 2nd one, ahh, that's better but doesn't last as long. After 4-5-6 you almost need it daily, to MASK the pain AND it does ZERO for the cause of the pain. It actually will attack the body, several sites to read about that, making things worse in the end. Kinda like turning up the car radio as the exhaust system rots out..... I refuse to 'take the needle'. L3-4-5 are kinda shot, so Itry to stay limber, see chiro every 2 months,eat a little better...but NO drugs, NO pain maskers. When it hurts I STOP what I'm doing, give the old body time to rest and recupurate. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 8:31pm
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Really not sure how you guys suck it up and keep going. I had a blown disc between L4 and L5. Bulged out and was impacting my sciatic nerve. Entire left leg was not good. Standing was really the only relief. Tried the Chiropractor, made it worse. Then to therapy, made it worse. then to shots, nothing there. Could only sleep about 15-20 minutes on a stack of six pillows or crammed between the bed and a dresser. Could not shake it. tried the drugs no real effect. I just wanted to get some sleep! Finally got recommended to a good back doctor in Pittsburgh. Kids took me down in the back seat of the car. I was very fortunate that was all that was wrong, they sniped out the problem, and I try to be careful of what I lift now. I can relate a little, hoping you guys keep on keeping on! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
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Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 8:20am
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 8:57am
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Hey JC and JohnKC,,,,,I tried the hot link and get messages that the page has moved,,,,??? I'm interested,,!!
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Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 4:40pm
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Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 5:42pm
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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 5:52pm
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 8:52pm
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Sure wish the young ones could have learned to work smarter and not harder and not think they were indestructible... Like 40-50- 60 years ago...  they might not be hurtin so bad these days. But try and teach the young tuff nuts that are now thinking the same the old men thought way back when, that ain't happening, then you have the pussyfied ones that prolly live a long time from not over stressin their lill delicat hands. Hi to you to Chask, getting things back into rythm yet? ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 9:32pm
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No but better. Scheduled for April 7th. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |