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Topic: WD Brake Repair
Posted By: SGTJ
Subject: WD Brake Repair
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 10:06am
So the brake linkage on my WD (from the right pedal, to the actual brake assembly)  snapped.  it looks like it was threaded into the brake assembly, and snapped off flush at the threads inside the tractor.  
 
Trying to figure out the best way to go about repairing it.   I've looked at parts brake-downs for the brake assembly , and I think I know where the linkage is supposed to be threaded into -- though I have no idea how to actually go about the repair.
 
thanks - SGT J


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WD , CA



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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 10:38am
This will give you some idea of how to get started. [TUBE]nKIJNiCH6p8[/TUBE]


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Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 12:53pm
lol... YOU, Sgt J, are in for an education you'll NEVER forget! It's worth it. Just - well, Rachel's working on a D-Series Allis, a search here will give you TONS of great information. Best wishes on your project!

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Posted By: levipatch
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 2:00pm
If you need quick fix now... Take a 5/16 rod,  bend L shaped with  catch on end .... on the end that will go into hole, Hook it by feel on  The threaded block  inside.. Attach remainder of rod to old brake rod under ,,,, tension from spring... Take up slack,,, Weld or clamp ..Will work decent for long time...This could be under REDNECK repair.. I suppose I will catch Blo back from here...., but it works.

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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by TimCNY TimCNY wrote:

lol... YOU, Sgt J, are in for an education you'll NEVER forget! It's worth it. Just - well, Rachel's working on a D-Series Allis, a search here will give you TONS of great information. Best wishes on your project!

 The D series she is working on, has pretty  much the same brakes as a WD or a 45.


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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Originally posted by TimCNY TimCNY wrote:

lol... YOU, Sgt J, are in for an education you'll NEVER forget! It's worth it. Just - well, Rachel's working on a D-Series Allis, a search here will give you TONS of great information. Best wishes on your project!

 The D series she is working on, has pretty  much the same brakes as a WD or a 45.

Its actually identical.  Part numbers are the same for the WD, WD45, and D17 prior to series 3.
AaronSEIA


Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 3:52pm
If the infamous pin comes out fairly easy it's not that bad, however if the pin "bottom most ancor pin" is like the ones I have done it is in my opinion the most difficult job there is on one of these tractors.    When you get done doing both sides on one of these it is the most satisfying feeling, right up there with your first girlfriend experience.    Keep us posted as to how it goes !!


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 4:03pm
I like Levi's suggestion. as a quick fix. That would allow the hook rod to pull on the brake.
To do the entire brake job you need to pull the bottom brake pin out it can vary from a 0 to a 10 on the Rictor scale. Its not fun, but if I can do it you can too. Once that pin is out the brakes come out the top.
The pin:
This is the end result you want.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 4:22pm
Right, I wasn't implying that, just that if Sgt. J noticed it wasn't a WD, he wouldn't think there was an issue with it being a different model. Sorry for causing any confusion!

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Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 5:07pm
Well, let's hope your experience is better than most....maybe you'll get lucky and those pins will come right out for you. I've had mixed results.....from almost impossible to real easy. I've done my WD, WD-45 and D-17 (series II) which are all basically the same. 
One thing to keep in mind with the WD & WD-45 is that the distance between the "toggle pin" at the brake shoes and the brake pedal is critical for optimum leverage when applying brakes.

Here is a quote from the manual:

"Replace pedal rod turning into toggle until front edge of toggle is 16-5/16" from nearest edge of hole in rod. This can be measured through rod opening in bottom of housing.
Do not use this rod as a brake adjustment, as it will upset the leverage on pedal".

The last sentence is key for good brake operation.

Good luck!







Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 10:05pm
Start soaking those pins now with your favorite monkey snot. Patience is your friend. If not use the cutting torch.

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1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

1956 F40 Ferguson


Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 6:51am
I have a couple shelves full of brake parts and surfaced brake drums if you want to rebuild the brake. 


Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 9:04am
I think it was Ray (?) from Sandy Lake who told me that when those tractors' brakes were designed it was with them being worked hard enough to require brake replacement every 4 years or so in mind. Pins generally don't rust-freeze in 3 or 4 years. So, to keep them from seizing in place (obviously use anti-seize when reinstalling), a yearly rotation of the pin and SLIGHT in-out (about 1/4"-1/2") will generally keep them free enough for when they do need a complete overhaul. Makes sense to me, that's what I'm doing.

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Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 9:04am
Actually, it may have been Rick Corder who told me that when I was ordering brake shoes from him. Either way, sound advice (and explanation).

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Posted By: SGTJ
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 1:05pm
Geez ……
 
 
I was really hoping someone would say something along the lines of    "yeah not a big job, just need to drill out the old rod left behind"  
 
 
Watching the video, and looking around online …  this would appear to be semi-major surgery


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WD , CA


Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 1:47pm
You may get lucky. On my 45 one came out in 10 minutes and the other took two weeks with multiple heating with a torch before it ever moved using a small pipe wrench to ask nicely.


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1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

1956 F40 Ferguson


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 2:04pm
It just takes a little determination is all Wink


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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 2:15pm
SGTJ,
This may go fine and the pins will come right out, if they do, your golden! If not, set down put your head in your hands and moan for a little while. May not help much but maybe you will feel better. I had 50% success on the one and only WD series tractor I did the brakes on. The other issue that you may or may not have is that the seals in the final drives on each side of the differential go bad about this time and fixing those while your in there is a good idea. Also there is the famous cracked brake drum saga too. So on the one brake pin that came out the drum on that side was cracked! I have some pictures of all of it if they will help. 
We wish you the best! Keep us informed. We love to hear about brake jobs on these!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: SGTJ
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 3:14pm
So, 
 
Since this is going to be a little bit larger of a project then I intended.  I'm looking for some more advice.
 
I plan on using this tractor to put up about 35 acres of hay this summer, as well as general use around the farm.  If I'm going to take a few days off to tackle this project, what else would you recommend I do to get this think back to peak performance ? Its pretty much in its original '52 state - hasn't had a much use in the last 20 years.
 
Basically - instead of buying a new tractor - and giving myself a 2 weeks and $1,000
 
what would you recommend I do to my WD before I start using hard.
 
- Already did a complete fluid change
 
- Brakes
- Carb Rebuild
- New Gaskets ?  (because it drips in a few places, like they all do)
 
 
 
 
 
 


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WD , CA


Posted By: graveyard
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 7:16am
Can this be done on a series I d 17 without pulling the axle?


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by graveyard graveyard wrote:

Can this be done on a series I d 17 without pulling the axle?
Yes. Brake drums are another story. That's when the final drive comes off. Removing drum can be fun too.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:22am
SGTJ,
We ran tractors with no or one brake for many hours. You just have to be more careful. Brakes are always a good safety thing to have, I would not discourage you from doing them but it can be a challange. If you do inspect the brake drums for cracks. wipe down with some gass and it will show the cracks if any. I did change one brake drum and it was easier than taking the lower pin out on one side of the WD45. I broke it off in pieces and then cut the hub of the drum in half at the keyway. A couple hits and the drum was off. 
The new one (from Sandy Lake) was heated and slipped on to the shaft. 
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.



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