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Topic: Rim repair
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Subject: Rim repair
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 11:44am
Last year I cut the rails out of a 13x28 spin out rim that was SHOT. I have a pair of rims I was going to weld them into. The other rim I have for donor rails is a 12", they are shorter than the 13's so I posted a wanted add on here and wound up with the 13x28 I needed for the project but when it got here I looked at it and decided it was too good to just cut up. It's really in pretty good shape other than the valve stem area. I have patches from some of the junkers I have scrapped so lets just fix this one and have a mate for the one 13x28 I already have.



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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 11:48am
Some of the progress shaping the patch and cutting out the damaged area. I spent a LOT of time fitting the patch to the hole trying to keep the welding to a minimum.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 11:53am
Yesterday I finished the welding, there were some thin spots that were a little tricky. Now just have to wait on mother nature. My plan is to heat up an area with the torch and hammer a flat for the valve stem, will practice on a junker before hand.


Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 11:59am
You know, if you click the preview button in your file manager before you post your pictures, you can change the size to fit the page. I just divided both the width and the height numbers showing by 2 and get this. The original numbers are 1584 wide and 1188 high. This post has them 792 wide and 594 high.

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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 12:01pm
I have a great pair of 16.9x28 Firestone Field and Road that are going on these rims when done. They are on 10 or 11" rims now. When finished will go on my narrow front 45. I really like the look of the 16.9s. That tractor has great tires on it already, think they will move over to the 57. I'm hoping to get a little work done on her this year, been here 4 years now, (I think) about time to get her going. I will update this when warmer weather gets here and I can proceed.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 12:47pm
Mike,
 I think the repair looks very good. I have seen most of the rims that are on my project tractors have issues like this too. If I can save one I try. As you say most of the rim is pretty good! You did a very nice job fitting that new piece into the rim!
I did have a couple that went to be donor rims too. 
I have never tried to weld on a set of rails. Were you going to do something special to get them in the right places? Not sure what the tolerances would be on the location of the rails? maybe +/- 1/16 inch??
I have tried the heating and reforming of the valve stem area too. The last ones I cut out a piece of angle iron and welded it in place. For some reason just was easier for me?? Not quite as pretty as a factory formed bump/ blister.
Looking forward to seeing the 16.9's on your 45 too! Should be a very nice combo. 

Here is one I started on, which looks just about like yours!

And the other one:

On this rim I forgot I had a donor piece that would have worked better than the 4 patches.
You did the right thing with the donor part!

Here was the valve stem area add on:

These were modified to 14 wide from 12's.

Regards,
 Chris



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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 2:15pm
Real nice work!!

I like your portable vise support.......I've got an extra vise hangin' around doin' nuthin.....
I think I'll make one of those supports for myself!


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 4:37pm
Chris, I did a pair of 15x28's back in '16 or '17, I will try to track that down and post a link.

Brian, that receiver hitch vice comes in handy. Really nice to keep the dust and dirt outside when you can.


Posted By: JC(WI)
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 6:41pm
Mike, don't bother heating the rim, drill the size of hole you want in the groove, then get a bunch of washers and a bolt that fits the hole, preferably fine thread and put about 3 or more washers on each side and screw the nut down tight should have a nice angled flat spot for the valve stem.


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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 6:44pm
Here's a link to my 15x28 rim thread. The pictures are on photobucket, they are fuzzy, surprised they show up at all.
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/todays-project_topic130062_post1070812.html?KW=#1070812
Chris, I made a 'gauge' out of a piece of welding rod for the spacing. Also cut up a wheel center so that after I tacked the rails in I could make sure everything moved like it should. This was easier than it seemed like it would be. The rails laid down on the rim very nicely.

I have a pair of 15x28 rims off a JD. Was going to use them for this project, still, may someday. Pic of the jd rim.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 7:14pm
Mike,
 I do remember those rims all cut up. Nice work getting those rails in place. I now feel a little more confident that adding the rails is something I could do if needed. 
Thanks for posting the links. Darn photobucket is not allowing some of your pictures to show up. You do good work!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 8:06pm
I need a piece to weld in. We don't have any donor rims to cut up. I kinda want to try to repair one


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 9:15pm
Mike, what size rim do you need a patch for? I have more for 28 inchers.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 6:10am
When I did some rim work for my first D-14, I made a 'rim roller'. Simple wooden structure with 2, 18" conveyor rollers, spaced about a foot apart. The rim stands upright on the rollers, so you can EASILY rotate the rim for cleaning and painting. It's surprised me how little effort was needed to turn it !


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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 9:06am
Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

I need a piece to weld in. We don't have any donor rims to cut up. I kinda want to try to repair one

Mikez,
 You can do it. Having a donor rim may not be necessary, depending on the rust out area. I did not have one on the rims on my WD45. Sometimes just some 1/8 inch steel strip will provide the patch material. Really most of the work is getting the tire off, cleaning and prepping the area. Start a thread with some pictures of the bad rim. We will provide the couch support for you!:)
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 11:47am
So I was digging around in the basement today and found some parts that will help with this project. My plan is to clean and paint another set of centers and hardware. Will have to check my inventory at the farm for the other 4. These have all been sandblasted and somewhat painted.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 11:53am
Chris, here is approximately what the tractor will look like when done. This the 'Wide-Front' when I redid the front end with a corn-picker pedestal. Wheel weights will be different. Also a shot of the tires headed for the 57. Recently got a broken bolt out of a spare manifold for that one, has a nasty exhaust leak. Really want to start making some progress on that old girl.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 1:01pm
Mike,
 Those tires will look real good on any W series tractor! Your rim work and parts are going to look good! That's a good looking WD45 too. So that is the front end that can be easily changed to a wide front. I see it says 14.9-28 on 13 inch rim. I have some of my rims out at 14 inches. Think there is any down side to that? Side wall support issues?
Regards,
Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 1:47pm
No. That's just the recommended rim width. Pullers have been putting tires on wider than 'recommended' rims for years. Those are on 12" rims, the 16.9s are going on 13s, recommended is 15 but Allis put them on 13 for years. Have a set that way on my D-17, look fine. 


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 3:16pm
Looking good Mike!!  You going to haul it to Hutch this year?  Are YOU coming to Hutch again this year?


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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 9:07am
Ted, I hope to make it this year, should probably be looking for a motel room now. If I bring a tractor, and I would like to, it will probably be the 'Wide Front', with model 63 plow. Last years one day whirlwind trip didn't give us time to even watch any field demos let alone go out and plow.

Small update on the project; made it out to the farm and found all the rest of the parts I need for this. Got the 4 eccentrics sand blasted, working on getting things primered now. The two wheel centers I found will need some serious clean-up before paint but that will have to wait for better weather.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 10:44am
Small update; Got all the locks painted and assembled. Now if the weather would cooperate I could get the centers cleaned up and painted.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 1:08pm
Mike,
 Looking very sharp! Thanks for the update. It may prompt me in to doing something orange related too. ( Oh yea I did call and order a new set of 14.9-28's for the WZ, so I guess that is something!:))
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 2:42pm
When I first got into the tire business in 1986 we could buy the rim hole weld on part. I started out with 50 of them and sold them all. They make a nice rim repair without causing tube problems.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 8:39am
Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Mike,
 Looking very sharp! Thanks for the update. It may prompt me in to doing something orange related too. ( Oh yea I did call and order a new set of 14.9-28's for the WZ, so I guess that is something!:))
Regards,
 Chris

Chris, haven't seen you on here a lot recently. Busy in the sugar shack?


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 10:10am
Mike,
You got it! Kids, grand kids, and great grand kids in the sugarhouse making syrup!


Thanks for checking on me!

Regards,
Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 9:18am
Hi Mike sorry I didn't respond. It's a 13"-26" rim


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

Hi Mike sorry I didn't respond. It's a 13"-26" rim

Ok, I had completely forgotten about this.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 12:37pm
Update time, (finally). Been kind of slow on this project, it is kind of low priority. Haven't got the centers cleaned up yet but did get the wheel wire brushed yesterday. Too windy to do any painting and I need to emboss a flat for the valve-stem. Getting closer.


Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 2:59pm
Dang, such great work!!

I'm afraid this rim on my WD is about to this point right now:



Unfortunately I can't weld nor have anything to unmount the tire with!


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 7:14pm
GG,
Yes that rim will not get better. New rims are available. It may run a long time as it is too.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 8:36am
Update time once again, finally! Took yesterday off work because of the nice weather. Had the rims painted and ready and a new set of tubes. Got the first one put together and then managed to start the second one going the same way! Had to pop it back off the rim and turn it around. You can see in the one picture the flat for the valvestem that I 'embossed'. The embossing process involved a rosebud on the torch, the horn of an anvil, and a big ball peen. Even cherry red that rim was tough! Think I could have centered the hole a little better, not sure what happened there. Where I'm working the D-17 is 'watching' me. I started this project thinking these wheels/tires were going on my NF 45. Now I'm torn, they would look awfully good on that 17! They will probably end up on the 45, at least for a while. Seems like Eldon moved tires around quite a bit? Need to get the centers cleaned up, painted then the changeover can commence.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 7:36pm
Mike,
 Those rims and tries look great. Maybe someday a set of 16.9-28's on one of the WD series tractors just for fun!
They would work very well on your 17 also.
Thanks for the update!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 8:20am
Got a little more done on this, cleaned up one wheel center and got some primer and paint on the inside. The outside has some battle scars I want to smooth out with a flap-wheel before paint. Raining here today so may get more clean up done.

When I started this I was going to put these wheels/tires on my NF 45. Have changed my mind, they will be going on the 17. Not a big fan of the long-bar short-bars that are on it now. Also that 45 already has fantastic rubber on it.

On the down side? The wheel weights on that 17 will now need a fresh coat of paint and handling those things isn't much fun!



Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 10:07am
Things have picked up a bit. Got the second center cleaned up and primered, also got some (white) paint on the inside of the first. Originally was going to be orange but looking at the 17, it's centers are white and I want to keep it that way. The locks that are going on are orange, so this is going to look like one of Sugarmaker's projects. (Except that the rest of the tractor's paint won't)! With a little bit of luck maybe I'll get the rest of the paint laid down today and can get them assembled tomorrow.

Starting on power steering on the 'Wide Front' today, best to keep several Allis projects in process at once!


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:44pm
Good progress today, got the weights off and paint on the centers. One needs one more coat, may get these things mounted tomorrow.Getting the weights cleaned up and painted may take awhile. Also working on another 'rim project', this one for the 720. Just need to clean up and paint. Going to mount a set of 33-12.50-15's on them when I get them bought.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 6:14am
Mike,
 Great job on the wheels! Yes one of my phobias, Wheels and tires!:) You have some awesome farm land around you too. Weather is nicer! Those wheels are going to look sharp on the D17.
Thanks for the update, and pictures too.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets


Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 8:34am
Glad I popped in today and saw this post. A rusted rim is why my D17 has been sidelined. Just last night I put a battery on the charger thinking I might try to bring it home today.

I'm not 100% sure what size the rims are but I might be looking for a patch piece.

And not to be "that guy" I also think I might have a good donor thats a little smaller too I'd be willing to donate/share to anyone needing a piece.

The corn and beans are in, time to get to work getting the D17 back in the rotation.


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 8:31pm
Got the tires/wheels mounted today. See it I can get a pic or two to post.


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 12:30am
I hate to rain on your parade Mike, but that 17 looks terrible now.....when are you going to start painting the WHOLE thing?  LOL  I like your red 'tool bench' LOL!  Did you run out of beer yet?


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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 8:12am
Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

I hate to rain on your parade Mike, but that 17 looks terrible now.....when are you going to start painting the WHOLE thing?  LOL  I like your red 'tool bench' LOL!  Did you run out of beer yet?

Ted, don't hold your breathe on a whole paint job! Have other bigger, more important projects I need to get started on.

That red work bench has supported many an Allis project, and will continue to do so until it quits moving, kind of a quest at this point.

Still have plenty of that good beer, I ration it. Drink Iowa domestic so I don't run out of the good stuff before it's safe to go get more!

Edit; While swapping the tires I saw A LOT of grease/dirt build up on the final drives. That makes me think a look in the pans is in the future and possibly a seal replacement or two. Have done one or two on a WD, not fun but not horrible either.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 5:08pm
Mike,
 Those rims and tires look good on the D17! I agree with Ted. A full paint job is in order too! :)
 Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Ford Jubilee, IH TD6 Many IH Cub Cadets



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