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Topic: Fence row D14
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Subject: Fence row D14
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:41pm
Folks,
 My friend Matt pulled this tractor from a fence row a couple months ago. Its rough, but functions. He belted it up and buzzed some wood with it yesterday. Today was a conversion to 12 volt alternator and coil, and battery. Also he worked on the 3 point hitch system. He got the arms with the pivots from another of his tractors (English Massey).
Some pictures:
Serial number- D14 5868

Matt installed the tool box that was on one of My Uncles tractors:

Both rear fenders are rough with crinkles and the left one was welded where it had rusted out at the bottom. Seat is in pretty bad shape but like the fenders still hanging in there!


Where are the brakes on these? Inside the trumpets? Still has some brake left.
 
This rim is not good but has had some repairs around the valve stem. Power director has good snap. No guard on the PD lever indicating a early model too

Will WD rims fit on a D14?

Added a angle and pins for the three point:

Top link bracket assembly fabricated:

Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.



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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:46pm
Yes,  The WD Wheels will fit on the D14.  Any 8 bolt rim should fit.


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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:52pm
Re the brakes, they are inside the axle housing, real close to the diff.  You have to pull the FD housing, then the axle housing, to get to the brake drums and shoes...HTHWink

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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:52pm
Thanks John!
 I am working on him to do some horse trading! Maybe bring it to my house and leave it for a while. I mean he does have my TD6 dozer at his place!:) Seems only fair and he is a IH guy!
I am going to have a real nice set of Firestone 13.6-28's from the WZ, that would bolt right on this D14!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:55pm
Dave,
 Thanks! So are they of similar difficulty to change? Compared to a WD series tractor?
Regards,
Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 5:59pm
looks like nice rubber ! so find some combine rims ! I KNOW they fit  !!
Yes, brakes are 'inside'..if you want practice...hint,hint....
There's an axle seal that goes,allows diff oil to 'lubricate' the shoes. Also the ram cylinder seals can go or the hyd hose inside the diff. The telltale is having to add hyd oil.... If you open it up for that, have a hyd shop make the hose WITH 1 swivel fitting, it'll make reassembly go easier as the AGCO part(still on my shelf) doesn't swivel...


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

Dave,
 Thanks! So are they of similar difficulty to change? Compared to a WD series tractor?
Regards,
Chris

No, they are far easier to change. You need a hoist to hold the axle housing, with or without the tire attached, when you slide the axle housing out of the trans/differential housing. 4 bolts hold the axle to the transmission. No rusted brake pins to mess with. The brake drum will stay with the axle in the axle housing. The 2 brake shoes will be attached to a plate that stays on the trans housing similar to the drum brakes on 80's/90's trucks. Once you have the axle off it will be practically self explanatory. Be sure to change the axle shaft seal when you have the axle out. 


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Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 6:35pm
The 28" wheels was a factory option.

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Thanks & God Bless

Dennis


Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2020 at 6:43pm
Late model D14s do not have the guard on the hand clutch button either.  Nice straight tractor there.  She should clean up nicely.


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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 7:32pm
Folks,
 Matt needed some chains and some help today with his D14. I supplied him with some very worn tire chains that had been used for many years on WD's.
When we started looking the spin out rims were not out away from the fenders far enough so we spent a hour or more getting the three eccentrics per wheel loosened and he made some plates for wheel stops. 

Stop for wheels, add ed both sides on the rail. plate with bolts through them. Looked like this farmer fix was going to work ok.

Installed the chains then cut some off each to fit the tire.

Some bungees and it was ready to plow snow. He said it worked much better with the chains!

Regards,
 Chris



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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 8:39pm
Nice Tractor. Looks like something I would drag home. 


Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 8:41pm
Is that the type of chains that will tear chunks of the cleats off of the tires?  Or does that only happen if they are loose?


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D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446


Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 9:09pm
Nice, Chris. It's always fun to watch you reclaiming another old AC!

Dave


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WC, CA, D14, WD45


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2020 at 10:32am
John, Guys,
Yea this is rough around all the edges, smokes some on start up. But it still moves and functions.
I have run these old chains some and they didnt seem to bother the tires. They are so worn and smooth or maybe sharp in some areas. He was happy to get them, We spent some quality time getting those rims moved and the chains on. All in all a good couple hours.  I beat on the heads of the eccentrics with a 10 lb sledge several dozen times which may have helped too? I was very surprised that we got the eccentrics to turn. It cost a cheap socket and a 1/2 inch ratchet before they all moved. I told Matt he was pretty lucky as these typically have to be removed from the tractor. He should buy Loto tickets!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50am
Gotta wonder if a 3/4" socket fit the eccentrics ? My D 15 seems to be 25/32 . Never did find out for sure . Thanks


Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 9:19am
On those eccentrics; I have a (I think) 20mm 1/2" drive socket welded to a 3/4" adapter. Works good on those extra tough ones!


Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 9:55am
My CA has 1/2" square eccentrics. I welded two 1" six point 1/2" drive sockets together with the square 1/2" drive openings facing out...one end for a breaker bar, the other for the eccentric. 

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WC, CA, D14, WD45


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 10:47am
If memory serves , I think it was 21mm and 25/32 I was looking for . Was hoping to buy one locally and if it didn't fit return it . Of course I can get them online . No big deal , I just wanted to remove them for some paint . Thanks


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 11:20am
20mm is .78739 in   21mm is .82676 in    3/4in is .75000 in    25/32in is .78125 in
 
HTH


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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 11:50am
Well heck ! Maybe it was 20mm I was looking for . Thanks Elliott


Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2020 at 7:14pm
I use a 20mm impact socket to turn the eccentrics 


Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 8:21am
Rails do not look like the eccentrics were run loose as the rails will show "flattening" of the metal. Have removed eccentrics that were worn paper thin and one old D15 I picked up had rails worn beyond use on both rims as ran far too long allowed to move.
A clunking sound is usually a dead giveaway on worn eccentric inserts but finals low on fluid will cause the same clunking sound.


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 8:32am
Great! Another fence row save! Way to go Chris n' Matt!!

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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 8:02pm
Almost hard to believe this is a "fence row find". Thanks so much for saving her, we need all the A-C's we can get since they stopped making them. Keeping her running is the best thing to do. Thanks again!


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 2:36pm
Guys,
I am a little worried about Matt! He is 20 and already has 23 tractors! At this pace he will need more storage soon!
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 4:37pm
Maybe wife would say 11 1/2 tractors. Wink

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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp


Posted By: jollymon68
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 9:10pm
Matt... Nice find! I just found a stuck in the woods D17 Series IV. That puts my total at sixteen tractors, not counting the off color ones. Don't let anyone tell you twenty is too many. LOL


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2020 at 5:45am
Guys,
 I will let him know that you approve of his tractor hoarding!
I think with less young guys that are interested in tractors, they will have to step up like Matt and just have way more than normal. Wait, whats normal?:)
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 5:18pm
Folks,
 Matt came over today with the D14 to borrow my buzz rig to cut slabs. Well it did not go as planned!




When we had the top link in place the buzz rig tipped way back. 

We had to use a short chain to get the buzz rig high enough that he could load it. 

Luckily he has another 20 tractors to choose from so he mounted it on a 9N and it worked fine. PTO was too short too?  Not sure what is going on with the geometry of the new 3 point we put on the D14??

Regards,
 Chris





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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 7:27pm
Looks like the 3 point is a hangin pretty far back, there...Wink

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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 8:31am
Dave,
 Maybe that is the problem. I told him we should bolt the cross bar on the drawbar. Will have to look at a little more. We did not have any numbers on where the lower arms should have been. Matt said it worked fine for his back blade and brush hog.
Anyway it was a good event for a old man to help a young man. He buzzed wood with it last night using the 9N and said it worked good.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: only AC orange
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 9:01am
Looks like left rear tire is either Firestone traction champion or BF Goodrich power grip? If and when your "Buddy" changes to combine tires, what would be chance of dealing for left rear if it is a BF Goodrich power grip ? Looking for a mate to one on my D-14! Thanks, M. Roush


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 9:04am
only, 
 I dont think he has any plans for tire swaps at this time. But I will let him know.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Rick of HopeIN
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 8:50pm


I got to try out my Grandpa's when I was about 9 mos old. I suspect this was spring of 1957.

40 Cockshutt in background. Would be nice to have that one too.

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1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless


Posted By: tony
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 5:53am
I think your 3point problem mite have something to do with how the top link is mounted. Looks like it's too high. Add some plates with holes drilled to the back so you can install the top link lower.
After looking at the pic with the saw rig on, I'm fairly certain it's the top link mount that's the problem. The top link should be pretty much at the same angle as the arms when hooked up. Otherwise as you found out, the implement will "tip" as you move the arms up or down.


Posted By: Ross D.
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 10:32am
Good morning.   Google has a lot of information on 3Pt. specifications. Note the position of this 3rd point.    Ross.

   

   


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 10:44am
Rick, Tony, Ross,
Thanks for the comments! Yes we may have two issues the actual 3 point lower arms may not be out past the tractor far enough. And we may have the top link pivot too high. Well it was a farmer fix and not a lot of dimensions or specs were reviewed during the build. Thats' what happens! 
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 8:57pm
I put a 3 of kit on my D15, and had the same problem. Found a shorter top link online, about 13" minimum length. That seems to have resolved the problem with my " selfunloading" 3pt carryall.

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67 D15 S2
83 5015
Several Kubotas'                     


Posted By: MDWilliams338
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 9:40pm
I gotta get out of the shop! How’d I miss this find and save?!? Nice going though😬

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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 12:13pm
My D 15 top link was too long to hook up the harrow . About 22" at shortest adj. Short top link set about 20" works . Short top link body is 13" as said . Got mine at TSC .Thanks


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 4:55pm
Folks,
 Had to get out and do something. I asked Matt if he would help plane some lumber. Turns out I was the helper!
He brought his D14 and had it belted to the planer in a matter of minutes. He also knew all the moves to make to get this running smoothly. A couple belt changes, some belt dressing, a few adjustments and we were making chips!






So we planed some hemlock and then finished a stack of blue spruce that may be used as batten boards. Not my favorite wood to work with, very fuzzy!

Regards,
 Chris






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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 5:20pm
dang those are GREAT pcitures, cept for that white stuff.....arrrrr Shamless !!!


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 6:03pm
Chris I need one of those planers. Never thought about belting one up.

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Learning AC...slowly


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 6:38pm
Yea supposed to be spring! I was about frozen when I got home. Still snowing like crazy! Thanks Shameless!
I think the Steam Show may have two of these planers? I like the hemlock material. Make you almost want to build a building with it.  
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 6:45pm
Folks,
 Some additional shots:
Old work horses at rest:

The sawmill:

Carriage for mill:

Now that's a nice hemlock board:

And a pile of shavings!

Regards,
 Chris



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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 7:03am
Enjoyed your planing and milling pics, Chris. You and Matt were just having way too much fun! I've got a "portable" bandsaw mill - feels like it's time to get it running again.

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WC, CA, D14, WD45


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 7:52am
Dave, Folks,
Thanks. This type of work reminds me of when I was a kid. We cut a lot of wood and did a lot of outside chores. Not as much now since we moved off the farm. I have several projects to complete at the local tractor show grounds this spring if I run out of things to do around the house.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.



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