Not sure what to do next
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Topic: Not sure what to do next
Posted By: BradH
Subject: Not sure what to do next
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 3:55pm
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I've been looking around for a decent set of rear tires for my WD 45 for a while now. My dad has looked across half of two states and all he found were old worn out tires that weren't worth trying to put on the rims. So, I bought a parts tractor a couple weeks ago. It has a decent set of 14x9 tires on it plus several other good parts. I had a tractor collector that I know haul it for me last week but now I'm not sure I did myself a big favor. I was going to just swap the tires and rims from this tractor to mine and be done with it. But the tires have had fluid in them so the rims are pretty soft for a few inches on either side of the valve stems. One tire is holding air and still has the fluid in it. The other is going to need a new tube and has sat flat for a while. I know it has some sidewall cracking but the guy that hauled it thinks I can save it and be fine. So now I'm not sure how to proceed. The rims on my tractor are fine, which makes me want to take the whole mess to the tire shop and let them sort it out. But the fluid kind of caught me off guard a little. Also, I wonder if the flat tire will hold up to being taken off one rim and put on another like that. I havent' had a chance to air it up yet to see how bad it really is. I guess I'm just looking for some opinions on what to do here. I'll try and get some pictures in a couple days if I can. Also, is there such a thing as an affordable tire option out there? I'm just trying to get a usable set of tires without going bankrupt. Thanks, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 5:59pm
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I'd breakdown the 'donor' tires/tubes /rims and really,really clean the tires inside and out. Do the 'lick test' to confirm NO salt.... Then buy 2 new tubes and install those tires onto your current good rims. I assume you are NOT putting calcium into the new rubber ? As for rubber options, I'm thinking you have 28" rims so maybe consider combine tires? Something has to run same size as your tractor. I lucked out at local combine derby, got 2 good 26" rims/tires for my D-14. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 6:02pm
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Brad, The tires can cost almost as much as the tractor is worth. Its a pet peeve of mine on the tires and rims. I do take them to the tire shop and let them de-mount them. I am just not going to fight them. Then I would evaluate the tires, tubes, and rims. If the tires are OK then you should be able to remount them on your good rims and fix the soft rims later. New tubes into the used tires mounted on your rims would be the cheapest route. About $100. With the tubes being about $40 each. For new tires your going to be around $300 to $400 per tire for 14.9-28's. At least around here. So you can have $700 to $900 in new tires, tubes and mounting. Yea I fought this for a while too. What turned me around was pulling antique tractors a few times a year. The new Crop Max (Firestone Field and Road knock offs) made these old WD series tractors much more competitive. Hope that helps a little? Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 6:13pm
| I totally agree with the other two fellas, new tubes for sure its the only way to rid yourself of the salt. Second you already have the used tires so get them mounted and use them. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 8:24pm
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That's pretty much where I'm at right now as well. The guy that was helping me knows his stuff so I'm confident that if he says they can work they will. He told me to get some stuff called windshield sealant and use on that crack. I guess he's done it before and had really good results. He has actually bought the tractor from me when I'm done with it. I paid three hundred dollars for it, the motor is seized but I bought it for the sheet metal and tires. He decided he wanted it for his own project before we even loaded it. So he's letting me have the rear tires, chains, and wheel weights along with a couple other odds and ends off of it. Plus he's bringing me a better hood, fenders, and a couple other parts I needed. He's really a great guy, he's helped me a lot in the past. He really wants this tractor too, because he's giving me my three hundred dollars and he said he'll bring me a good wide front to put on my tractor. So I think I'll take off the donor tires and rims and haul them to the tire shop along with my tractor. They can deal with them because like Chris said, I don't have the time, energy, tools, or place to mess with them. They can put my old tires on the donor rims so he's got tires on that tractor when he comes to load it. It's a lot of hassle but that's kind of the way things work around here. Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2019 at 9:13pm
| Would that be the 3M type of windshield sealant? Has anyone used this on cracked tires? What were the results? Did it hold up? |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 12:06am
| black flex seal works also. |
Posted By: Larry B
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 7:21am
| I have a set never been used or mounted good years 550.00 for the pair . |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 1:43pm
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What size, Larry B? ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 4:54pm
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Yes, it's the 3M brand. This guy told me he has used it before and seemed to have good luck with it. He has quite the collection of old tractors, like I said he knows his stuff. I usually run most of my mechanical questions by him if I get the chance. He also warned me that if I get it on my hands I'll have to wear it off. Pretty sure there's only one way to learn that lesson. Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2019 at 6:26pm
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Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a try! |
Posted By: smokechaser
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 6:51pm
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Brad, could you find out exactly which product your friend is using to seal tires ( 3M has several "windshield sealers") and what prep work is needed? I know I have several tires that could benefit. Thanks! ------------- A-C HD5G, HD3, I600, WD-45; IH 424, B414, B250, Cub; Oliver OC6; Clark R60; Bungartz T5; Ferguson TO-20; MH 44 |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 8:01pm
| If you have a tire shop in your area that uses Bowes tire repair products, they have a product in a tube made especially for this purpose. We used it for close to 20 years in my tire shop. I have been around a lot of guys that replace windshields and have not seen anything that would be as perminat as the Bowes products. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 8:10pm
| Brad. I just checked with several of my old tire suppliers. I see 8 ply Multi Mile 14.9x28 tires that could be bought for close to $250.00 per tire. If I still had my tire shop that would be a put on price at the shop, if the tires and rims were still on the tractor. If they are off the tractor another 20.00 per tire would be charged. Tubes and pumping fluid out and in would be on top of the $250.00. |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 9:08pm
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I got some time this afternoon to mess with the parts tractor and had some decent results. I got the chains taken off and got the bolts holding the weights to loosen up. The left tire actually looks okay, all things considered. The flat one on the right surprised me and didn't turn out to be as bad as I thought. What I thought was a crack was just a place where a layer of the tire came off. No cracking that I could see from the outside. At this point if I can get them fixed I think they will work, but it remains to be seen. At least I'm more hopeful. They appear to still be somewhat soft and pliable so maybe they can be worked with some. Hopefully I can get it to work, they are still a good set of tires, not much wear on them. I think I'll start checking with the local tire places in a week or so to figure out what I'm gonna do. If I can figure out exactly what product he used I will post it on here. Thanks again for all the advice. Later, Brad P.S. What is a set of tire chains to fit the 14x9's worth? I know the value of tire chains is directly related to how bad you need them at the time but I'm not sure I am going to keep them. There's a guy at work who is interested in them and i'm just not sure what to ask for them if I decide to sell them. I know I should hang on to them just because but I don't think I'd ever use them. My tractor isn't the snow mover and we don't have livestock to feed in the winter. I just don't think I need chains for hayfield work. Besides, I may need the money to help finish this project.   ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 6:18am
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re: value of chains... I'd pencil up the cost of swapping tires/rims( new tubes and some labour) and sell the chains to your friend for that amount. Say $40 per tube and 4 hrs@$25, would make the chains $180. I suspect used chains might cost more, if so ,then you friend gets a deal an dsatys your friend. You get rid of chains you'll never use,so everyone is happy. Others here will KNOW what the chains sell for, I could be high or low... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 6:40am
I paid $25 for a set of chains at an auction. They fit 16.9x28 and were the good criss cross design..... someone stole them before I got them loaded up.... lesson learned  ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 7:03am
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Brad, I was going to guess $100 for the pair of chains. Condition is everything if your going to use them hard. Your doing good on the wheels and tires! Keep hitting at it! These are big, heavy, awkward units! At least they are for me. And I generally have to fight them along the way. Either getting them off the tractor, or apart, or repairing them or all of the above! It is always one of my big accomplishments to get a tractor up on good rims and good rubber! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 8:15am
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Just buy new tires and get it over with. If you want play the tractor game you gotta pay. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2019 at 2:24pm
Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
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