8010 joystick
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Topic: 8010 joystick
Posted By: 185turbo
Subject: 8010 joystick
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 7:15am
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Got a 8010 powershift with a westendorf loader. The loader is controlled with the remotes now but want to put a joystick on it to run loader. Does anyone know where to get a complete kit or how to piece one together ? Would need valve , joystick, cables and adapters to plumb into hyd system. Is it a pfc or closed center hyd system? Thanks ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
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Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 1:39pm
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It is a closed center load sensing system. It would require a closed center load sense valve tee'd into the system. The load sense port is required to actuate the pump high pressure. Surplus Center has a valve. It's not cheap, $570. The joystick controller and cables adds about $300. A selector valve for the remotes would be cheaper. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: acnh210
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 9:33pm
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I have one in an 8050. I bought it through westendorf (work for a dealer) it does not include hoses and was $2600 several years ago. A lot of work to install but worth it once it's in. ------------- Terra Tiger, WD, 7040ps, 8050 with westendorf loader, 8050ps fwa. |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 9:42pm
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I looked on surplus center and i cant seem to find a ccls joystick valve on there.. do you happen to know the part number of it? ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: acnh210
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 10:00pm
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I beleive I still have the owner's manual. Just not sure where. I'll do some digging. ------------- Terra Tiger, WD, 7040ps, 8050 with westendorf loader, 8050ps fwa. |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2019 at 5:54pm
The closed center load sense valve and joystick controller are listed separately. Do a search for "load sense" and "joystick". The valve is a Prince 20 series The cables and connections are also separate. The controller is 9-6704-J ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
185turbo wrote:Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 7:00am
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Thanks for the help i found the valve joystick and cables. I will just have to figure out how to plumb into the supply return n load sense now ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: toolcat
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 7:10pm
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so why couldn't you just get a joy stick controller and proper length cables and use the existing factory valves unless you are trying to add more outlets to the system. |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 9:00pm
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Only have 2 remotes , need 4 ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 4:24am
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The pressure line is the one with the hose going from the pump to the remote/lift valve. You can tee in there. A 3/4 JIC swivel run tee will make it easier. The sense line is the 1/4 tube running from the pump to the valve. A JIC swivel run tee here. Easier to install at the valve end. The return is a tube from the valve to the reservoir. I think it is 1 in. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: JCFarms
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2019 at 8:16pm
| is it this https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Valves/Stack-Valves/2-Spool-Prince-20-Series-Valve-w-Load-Sense-9-20-2-LS.axd" rel="nofollow - https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Valves/Stack-Valves/2-Spool-Prince-20-Series-Valve-w-Load-Sense-9-20-2-LS.axd |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2019 at 5:19pm
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That's the valve. I would get the one with the float position, especially for a loader. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2019 at 1:43pm
| I would like to get one of these,,will the joy stick and cables mount to that 9-20-2-LS? I have joystick and cables,,, when I got the 8010 with a westendorf loader, it had this on it, but the wrong valve, so,,, I took it off and just run loader to the rear remotes...I found out its not good to "deadhead" the load sense pump with a closed center valve,, but it may been a open center...I'm not sure,but it's non been there for a long time.... |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 7:07am
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Any ideas on teeing into the return side of the system? The pressure and load sense are easy since they are hoses but not sure how to tie into the return since it’s a steel tube? Is there another place I could return the oil? ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 7:24am
| I've never done this, but have always felt you could remove the endplate on the hydraulic valve stack, drill and tap a hole that lined up with the return passage. Could also remove the cover plate under the PTO gears and drill/tap a hole in there as well, although it would need to be kept up tight to avoid hitting a rock rolling by. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 7:25am
| Could return back to one of the sight bulb holes. MACK |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 7:46am
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Ok . I’d rather not drill and tap if possible but will if I have to. there is a line on the front side of the right hand filter that goes forward possibly to oil cooler? Would it be ok to plumb in the rear there? The return tube from the remotes comes in on the rear side of the right hand filter.. ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 8:16am
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I meant to say would it be ok to plumb in the return there, on the front side of the right hand filter ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 10:48am
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Are the sight glasses pipe thread ? 1/2? Thanks ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 12:07pm
| Not pipe thread. O-ring threads. |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 1:15pm
The line going forward is the pump suction. The one on the top is the return from the valves. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: 185turbo
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2021 at 10:28am
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Cant seem to find the correct oring thread for the sight glass. 1/2 nipple will screw right in though , any ideas thanks ------------- 185 turbocharged w/ 500 loader , WD |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2021 at 8:45pm
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1/2" fitting was all we ever used. |