Fram Oil Filters?
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Topic: Fram Oil Filters?
Posted By: Gary(MO)
Subject: Fram Oil Filters?
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 8:10am
| Guys I use to use Fram C159 on my older Allis Tractors. What is a good replacement filter? I have some Wix but don't like them. My tractors seem to run lower oil pressure with the Wix filter. Thanks Gary |
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Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 8:15am
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Fram C159 seems to be a standard replacement. I have been using them and I have no complaints. They are still out there but it seems like they are usually close to $20 each. I bought a lot of 4 for $8 each, so I am set for a while. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 9:50am
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Now that TSC no longer carries Fram filters, where can you get the tractor Fram filters. I'm good on my C159's as I bought out the local TSC when they put them on close out sale, but need them for my 180 and D17 IV diesel. Dave ------------- Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mark Twain. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 9:58am
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A quick check on-line looks like Midland Hardware has them at a reasonable price; https://www.midlandhardware.com/205926.html?dfw_tracker=14396-205926&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlsOkrLCC4wIVhFYNCh0QswmZEAYYASABEgLHFPD_BwE" rel="nofollow - https://www.midlandhardware.com/205926.html?dfw_tracker=14396-205926&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlsOkrLCC4wIVhFYNCh0QswmZEAYYASABEgLHFPD_BwE
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Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 10:00am
| Wally World carries the FRAM filter line. NAPA GOLD series seem to be a decent filter; read somewhere years agothey were made by WIX, no idea who makes the NAPA filter anymore. |
Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 10:03am
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Yeah, local Walmart doesn't have the selection I need to get the correct filter for the diesel tractors I have. ------------- Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mark Twain. |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 10:32am
| As far as I know, Wix still makes almost all of NAPA's filters, so it is most likely that NAPA Gold filter is a Wix filter. NAPA Gold 7011, Fram C-159, Baldwin T300-M all cross to Wix 57011. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 11:07am
 Just saying, you don't have to look real hard to find people saying Fram is the same as not having a filter. I have had a engine failure or ....... way more than I needed. But none of them I could tell myself it was cause I had the wrong filter or oil in it.If you make nice with your NAPA store they have filters on sale twice a year and they are way cheaper. It seem each store picks when they have the filter sale so ask. But another place to find odd filters is the neighborhood fuel jobber.
Hopefully there computer wiz kid will have been edumated to not let his face show how miss guided he think you are to have machines 4 times older than he is. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 11:55am
And these people may know something about '09 Corollas or 2012 F-150s, but they probably know nothing about the bypass oil system on a '48 Allis B or '57 WD45 ------------- 1951 B |
Ray54 wrote:Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 2:30pm
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https://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/fram-hd-by-pass-oil-filter-c159/0000000048446" rel="nofollow - https://www.fleetfarm.com/detail/fram-hd-by-pass-oil-filter-c159/0000000048446 Fleet Farm has them and also has a mail order - online site ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 2:51pm
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can still get AGCO ones at a dealer ------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 5:02pm
| Do you have an O'Reiley's close by? They "normally" have engine/hydraulic on hand. I will never buy another filter from NAPA as long as I live after they gouged me $9 over what I could have gotten from O'reiley's (possibly better filter) except I didn't want to drive the extra 11 miles to the next store(O/R) that had the filter in stock. The NAPA was still 8 miles away and the guy behind the counter was a "RICHARD", if you catch my drift. Seems like O/R is a Wix filter? |
Posted By: trace
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 5:06pm
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all made in mexico anyway. ------------- 1955 WD-45 WIDE FRONT W/ TRIP LOADER |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 5:35pm
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And these people may know something about '09 Corollas or 2012 F-150s, but they probably know nothing about the bypass oil system on a '48 Allis B or '57 WD45 - FRAM C159 has been the STANDARD for the BYPASS FILTERS for MANY YEARS.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 6:04pm
Perzactly! The bypass system uses the restriction of the wad of cotton in the filter for pressure and can NOT be compared to pleated paper filters of any manufacturer. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 6:38pm
| How/what about a T300M Baldwin filter from Shoup's ? |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 6:52pm
| With NAPA, must be a store-by-store thing, the local one has always been great on prices. For me, anyhow. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 7:07pm
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I have never seen a bad Baldwin filter ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 7:51pm
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I have used the T300M filters and the C159.... no difference in performance or pressure.. One of the local farm stores use to sell Baldwin at a reasonable price. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 8:06pm
| Lower oil pressure doesn't necessarily mean it is worse, especially if the pressure tap is before the filter. Lower pressure = less filter restriction which could mean more filter area...... No doubt it could be higher micron rating, but I am leaning towards Wix is better than Fram..... |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 9:29pm
| The parts store I use mostly carries Baldwin brand, I try to order them when they have their filter sale in Feb,,there about half price then..gotta order a case lot though,,can't remember if 12 or 6 in a case... |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 9:41am
Again, that makes perfect sense on modern vehicles with full filtration systems. That's not what we're talking about. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 10:18am
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A Fram run of the mill full flow filter will trap 40 micron particles, at most. A Purolator Boss will filter to below 20 microns. A stuffed cotton filter might do 100 microns - that's just a guess on my part. It may only be doing 10 to 20 percent of the oil on one pass too. This is why you want to change the oil at recommended hourly intervals on these old engines, regardless of what quality of oil you use. |
Posted By: joelsplace
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 5:32pm
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Rockauto.com has the Wix filters for half what O'Reilly's charges. ------------- 1975 7040 w/Power Director |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 8:31pm
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Lower oil pressure doesn't necessarily mean it is worse, especially if the pressure tap is before the filter. Lower pressure = less filter restriction which could mean more filter area...... No doubt it could be higher micron rating, but I am leaning towards Wix is better than Fram..... As HOUGH has pointed out, the BYPASS filter only filters 20% of the oil flow and the rest goes directly to the bearings.. If you use the WRONG FILTER with LESS RESTRICTION, then you might pass 40% thru the filter and thus only get 60% to the bearings.. WIX had that problem 10-15 years ago and burnt up several motors... FRAM has been the STANDARD for years and never had that problem. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2019 at 8:46pm
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I wonder if Fram actually builds that filter or just buys it from another builder. Those filters used to be orange like the rest of the Fram line but for a while now they have been white. BTW I have a couple NOS Frams that are the old soup can style along with a Puralator and a couple Wix. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:25pm
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Buddy of mine works at paper factory. Alstrim (I think is how it's spelled) they make the paper for everyone's filters. He told me the only one that's different is Napa gold. Myself I only buy wix and Baldwin. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: joelsplace
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2019 at 10:28pm
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Napa Gold is Wix. Just drop the leading 5 on the Wix number and it is the Napa number. ------------- 1975 7040 w/Power Director |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 5:54am
Some filters use paper. The best filters use a synthetic material. Some use a mix of the two. Higher end filters tend to use synthetic material and use more of it. For the AC bypass system you can pretty much assume they use cotton. Less of or a looser pack of cotton will let more oil through, but probably at the cost of less filtration. The filter resistance itself contributes to the oil pressure. As stated above, don't try to compare a bypass filter to a full flow filter. They are different animals and they work in a different way. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 5:59am
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curious... I found this... https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Fram/C159" rel="nofollow - https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Fram/C159 I'd like to pay less than 22 canucks for a filter... anyone use any of the 25 listed ? thanks jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 6:58am
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Get the Motorcraft FL797A. It's listed there for $179.95. :) That site is funny. When I typed in only C159 it returned four filters. When I typed in Fram C159 it returned a bunch of different filters. Beware that it reads "C159" as a partial number too. The odds are that most are made by Fram, but you never know. |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 7:56am
------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 9:14am
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I finished an oil change on my B on Tuesday. This particular oil change involved replacing the filter mount gasket, pulling and cleaning out the oil pan (because I never had) and cleaning the pickup screen and a new pan gasket (obviously). I used one of my stash of Fram C159s I found for $8 over a year ago, and the oil pressure is where it should be. Mowed the front yard (1+ acre) and got it out to temp- everything worked fine. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 9:22am
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Lee, you need the new oil with pressure already in it. Costs a little more but you can see the results. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 10:35am
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Gonna stick a Baldwin on this evening ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 3:53pm
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We stock them http://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2_43_55&products_id=132" rel="nofollow - http://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2_43_55&products_id=132 ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 7:57pm
Jay, When I ran a cross reference on those filter numbers on the Wix site cross reference, a number of them came up discontinued or totally different filters from the Wix 57011 which matches the Fram C159. The CARQUEST 85101, NAPA 1101, NAPA 1104, Wix 51101 and 51104 are all superseded to the Wix 57011 (NAPA's # 7011). Those were the numbers they changed to pleated paper a "few" years back and found out pleated paper does not replaced the packed media. I have used Fram, Hastings, and Big A in the past. Currently Wix/Napa or Baldwin. Jim |
Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 8:53pm
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Local farm store had the Baldwin for little under 12$ I'll try and remember the OKtractor next time. ------------- 1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 5:04pm
| Let us know if you found your Right filter, after all this confeussn , !! lol |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 7:12pm
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I'm surprised to not see a post from Steve at B&B. He used to stock Fram C159 filters because they work on shunt filter AC engines correctly. There have been filters made to fit but without the filling and the low pressure drop in the filter caused low engine oil pressure because the pressure regulator is dependent on a stiff filter to keep the pressure up. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 8:40pm
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Gerald is correct. We've been a Fram dealer since 1970. We used to keep a minimum of 40 C159's on the shelf at all times. Most of the time there were closer to 60 on the shelf. We used to supply our Western vendors as well as our customer's all over the states that couldn't get Fram. About 6-7 years ago, one of our major Eastern warehouses closed. They fed us everything & anything Fram. After they closed, we started pulling Fram from the other Eastern warehouse. They didn't stock a lot of Fram, and the C159 was considered an AG filter which they didn't stock. Well, once I got them to start stocking that filter for us, the price jumped two fold! We used to sell them for $7. bucks each, or 4 or more for $6. each. I think before the first warehouse closed, we took that "D" rated filter to a "B" rated filter in about 2 years! LOL! Well, we were able to get the C159's, but not at a good price so we could pass on the savings. Now we have to sell em' at $12.95 each when we can get em'. Just about 18 months ago, the second warehouse we were getting our Fram from closed. Drat! Now we're having issues trying to get Fram for our customer's. I have something in the works right now, but it takes forever for these folks to move on a deal. But, I'm working on it........ ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 5:22am
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Sounds like them really fast 20 something computers are at work again. ------------- 1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 6:09pm
their's a little more than cotton in there...  ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: REEDE
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 9:05pm
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I use AGCO p/n 70240912 on our WD because it is the right filter for the tractor. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 8:00am
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But who makes the filter for AGCO? Not AGCO that's fir' sure! More than likely, one of the large filter companies...... Fish are you sure that's not a mouse nest?? LMAO!! Steve@B&B
------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2019 at 10:40am
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Who makes the most off-brand filters? Fram, of course. A/C filters are considered off-brand. I wouldn't use a Fram in my car, but the cotton-packed A/C bypass filters all perform about the same. |