Allis Chalmers wd, ca, or ford 9n
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Topic: Allis Chalmers wd, ca, or ford 9n
Posted By: ajlewis
Subject: Allis Chalmers wd, ca, or ford 9n
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 7:15pm
| So, I am on the market for my first tractor. I have a 1 acre area that I would like to use the tractor to bush hog. I am weighing my options and would appreciate any help, being how I know very little. I am wanting an old Allis Chalmers and have a couple I am looking at (1st is a CA with brush hog for 1k and the second is a WD for 650). The problem is I want something that has a 3 point hitch for versatility (all I need is a brush hog and snow plow), which is why I have considered a ford 9n. I am having a hard time finding snow blades for the Allis Chalmers is really the main reason I have not purchased them yet. Again I would really appreciate any advice guys. I am trying to get something cheap to get the job done in cutting the grass and plowing my drive, but something I could potentially restore one day. Thanks! |
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 7:39pm
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aj, Welcome. We are slightly bias towards the Allis brands! But ocassionaly you may find a Ford owner on here!  The CA is a good size. If the CA comes with a brush hog already is is a pull behind? We may need more info/ pictures too. I am not as well versed in the CA tractors. There may be some of the D series that had factory 3 point. but your going to spend more money too. The 8n, well they are good for your tasks due to the fact they are set up with 3 point. Good luck in your search. If you really want a old Allis, you can retro one to have three point also. for under $400. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 8:47pm
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Keep in mind that the 9N ford is only 20 hp at the pto. The 8N and 9N hydraulic pump stops when you push in the clutch as does the pto. If you get a Ford, get an NAA (30 hp) or later model. The WD and CA have more hp and both have hand clutches for live pto. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: 200Tom1
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 9:19pm
| If you buy this n ford, make sure you have a good overriding clutch on the PTO shaft. 4 people I knew were killed with these things, because the brakes are junk or the PTO pushed them over a cliff then the cheap overrunning clutch failed. Please if you must have a ford, look at a 2ooo or 3000 or 4000 su ford. They are 10 times better tractor than any n ford. You can buy n fords in our area, running, for 500.00 to 750.00. They are cheap for a reason. |
Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 11:14pm
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I have 5, Fords, 2 Ferguson 35's and 1 AC, D17. I love the D17 but, it's much larger and more expensive than you need and you can find more 3 point conversions on D17's. There is a cottage industry of 8N's, you can get anything for them. My Fords are all 600 & 800's. You can get anything for them, also and they run a little more than a 8N but, not much. The 600 has more HP than a CA, the 800, a lot more. Ferguson and 8N, don't have live hydraulics (Ferg, dual clutch 35 Deluxe do). 6 & 800 are live Hyd but it takes a dual clutch for live PTO. A CA is a great tractor and I hope to have one, before the year is over. I would put them on pare with the 600 Ford, with there lower gearing and live PTO but, as you know, a 3 point is almost invaluable. Look for a CA with a 3 point or budget one in, if possible. Other than that, I would go with a 600. ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 11:30pm
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If the CA is not equipped with a snap coupler I would go with the WD. The CA hand clutch seem to always be bolted together and don't work from my dealings with them. The WD with the snap coupler would be easier to get a 3 point setup or make one for it. Even if it doesn't have a snap coupler, it's easy to mount the lower arms on the draw bar for a 3 point hook up. That CA with the brush hog seems too cheap. I would be suspicious of that one, but then the WD seems low priced as well! Good luck with your decision! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 3:52am
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I have a front mounted snowplow for sale that is an Allis Chalmers factory built unit for the narrow front CA tractors. I will be in eastern Ohio July 13th. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:31am
| PaulB can you tell me how much you want for it? I am I interested. My cell number is 419-603-9286 |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:35am
| I really appreciate all the feedback guys. I think I just need to make the decision on going with the CA or WD. I really like how Big the wd is compared to the CA. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:47am
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My 'vote' is for the CA. Had one , great tractor. Also has a 2N( 1944 version of the 1939 9N which is only a 3 speed, CA is 4 speed. Since you're talking 1 acre( like me..) smaller is better, easier to do 'stuff'.WD has more HP but bigger, like my D-14s. I just can't 'see' needing a bushhog for 1 acre though, I get by with a 42" rider, though 1/2 is a veggie garden..maybe your land is hilly or rough. 1K for the CA/BH is an OK price, GREAT compared to a 'riding mower', providing it's complete, tire ok, etc. If it doesn't work out, you should get 350-500 for the BH depending on area you live in...so 500$ for a CA.. I'd buy it !! I used a rear blade on my D-14 for snowplowing. PITA always turning around, hands and feet going everywhere cause it's a small driveway. I use a dedicated rider/front snowblower now and planning to bodge 2 walkbehinds onto a SSQA plate for my Kubota. There's a lot of options, pros and cons so write them down on a paper ! Take pictures of the tractors from EVERY side. But from here, the CA seems to be the better choice. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:58am
| I am a big fan of WD's they are easy to build your own three point hitch on. A Ford 9n has only three speeds as said and as such a slow road speed. Many other flaws in my opinion as well, the only thing going for them is the factory three point. Keep us posted !! |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 6:30am
| Go with the WD its twice the tractor of either of the other two easy to find parts and i realy dont loke the CA hand clutch i have hadall three choices the only reason i still have a CA is you cant beet it for mowing |
Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 7:09am
| I put a 3ph on one of my CA's and us a 6' finish mower on about 4 acres with it. Not that hard to put one on the Allis, I bought the arms off ebay cheap and bought the bracket from one of the sites to mount the lift arms for $75. |
Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 11:19am
| I bush hog with an 8N, great little tractor. My 6' mower is a bit much for it. 4' would be ideal. They recommend 5 hp per foot. Friends 170 handled it like a dream. I like my 8N with both brakes on one side and 4 speed trany, drove a few 9N's and didn't like the pedal set up or 3 spd. WD with a 6ft mower would make short work of an acre of grass |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 11:36am
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WD all the way ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:12pm
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WD and never look back!!! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 7:09am
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We have a 1952 CA and WD. Either tractor would work well for your needs. The CA has a 6’ Woods belly mower on it and does a fantastic job of mowing. The hand clutch works pretty well for a 67 year old tractor but will need to be replaced if we would do any plowing as it would probably slip. The WD’s hand clutch is much heavier. Neither tractor has power steering which in my opinion is their only down fall. If you have hills get a wide front end for safety. My WD is a narrow front and caution must be used if using it on hills more so than a wide front end. Both have a lot power for their size and are fairly easy to work on due to their design. Parts are readily available. WD’s are easier and less expensive to come by due to the mass numbers that were produced. I paid $300 for WD, put $250 more in it and have a fine running machine. Perfect hay raking tractor which is why I wanted one. We have 3 point for the CA but not for the WD. Both are great tractors. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 8:18am
| I say get the CA, if a WD and 9N are your only other options. If it were a 8N or Jubilee, I’d say get that. The 600/800 mentioned earlier are great tractors too. They are a “series” though, not a model number. Just improved/higher powered versions of the Jubilee. If you were to go that route, and wanted live PTO, you’d need a 660 or 661 or 860 or 861. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 1:38am
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IMO, the best 'n-series' tractor is actually the Ferguson TO-35... but I wouldn't put it in the same competition category as a WD... there's just no comparison between a 120ci flathead and a 201ci OHV engine... ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:00am
| Just found a AC wd 45 with 3 point hitch and wide front end for 1100. The owner said the wires were chewed through by rodents so they need replaced. Is this a hard fix? I am really liking the wd series the more I hear about them. You guys have been a huge help, would appreciate a little more help on this. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:29am
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Steve at B&B can supply a new wiring harness. There were two versions of the Ford 8N engine. The early ones used the distributor mounted on the front of the block like the 9N and 2N and late 30s vintage V-8 car engines. Hard to work on. The last year of the 8N used a side mounted distributor that is much easier to work on when needed. The Ford N series PTO is driven by the intermediate shaft in the transmission so if a mower is spinning it will propel the tractor unless the overrunning clutch is added to the PTO connection. Without the overrunning clutch the tractors often run into trees, buildings, power poles, or over bank edges. Gerald J. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:41am
| for one acre why not just a good garden tractor or a compact like a 720 ? |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 1:09pm
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If u buy the CA with bush hog mower on it .Ask the owner if they used the hand clutch with it . The hand clutch might be rusted fast . The WD hand clutch runs in oil . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design. |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 3:03pm
Yeah, these all seem like overkill for 1 acre. ------------- 1951 B |
HudCo wrote:Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:48pm
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x2 what Fred said. The hand clutch in the CA runs dry. Could be rusted together. Or it could be bolted together. In either case the cure is to remove the rhs axle housing, pull the clutch and rebuild it. Or it could be working but slipping....or it could be fine. Good idea to get as much information about it as possible. ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: Bruiser
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:42pm
| I for one think a little overkill is just fine, maybe even makes a ordinary job a fun one. Over sized is always better than under sized. |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 7:59am
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Well guys I ended up and went with the WD45 and I am super glad I did!!!! I paid a little more for it than I originally wanted, but because it has no mechanical issues, 3 point hitch and WIDE front end I got it!!! Also the body is in great shape compared to most! I paid 1350 for it. I actually talked to my grandpa and it was a similar tractor they had on his farm. We are going to sand and paint it the original AC orange too (he has a body shop). Anyone know what year it is? Also, anyone know some need to knows about the WD45??? This is my first tractor and could use any info you are willing to share? Thanks for all your help I could not be happier with it!!!
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:10am
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aj, Congratulations! You have a icon of the Allis-Chalmers tractors! Your picture does not show for me? Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 10:12am
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Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 11:22am
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It's still not showing. I'd like to see it, also. ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:03pm
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My favorite tractor that I don't have. The WD45 was a terror in field demos in it's day. Put the competition on it's heels. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ajlewis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 10:43pm
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uploads/19869/AC_wd45.jpg" rel="nofollow - uploads/19869/AC_wd45.jpg Well here she is! Me and my grandpa are going to start restoring the body the 2nd week of July. All we will have to do is sand and paint, she is in great shape! I must say I am very glad I went with the WD45, I have had a lot of AC enthusiast's compliment how great these tractors are. I have drove it a few times and runs great! I already picked up a snow blade for 90 bucks! Thanks for your guys help. Can I ask again, now what? I know nothing about these old tractors, are there any books or manuals I should look for? Any important things to know about them??? Thanks!
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 6:44am
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aj, I looked at the picture and it looks to be a straight solid tractor. If your grandpa has a body shop I am sure it will turn out great. Things to look for: Good strong snap action in the hand clutch, pesky oil leaks for almost any orifice Jumping out of gear, typically third any engine smoke, Lots of books out there. Try to get a service manual, usually better than the IT manuals. Have fun and be carefull! We need some more pictures when you get it out. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:08am
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That is a fine looking 45! Think you will enjoy it a lot! |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:26am
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I have had good success looking for AC manuals at: http://grandpas-tractor-site.s3.amazonaws.com/manuals/ac" rel="nofollow - http://grandpas-tractor-site.s3.amazonaws.com/manuals/ac many manuals are available for purchase on ebay. Neglect the IT manuals. They are very thin compared to official factory shop manuals. They believe you know machinery fundamentals, e.g. have worked on tractors for half a century. Gerald J. |
Posted By: TimCNY
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:09am
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Congratulations, now read first then drive lol. Maintenance is what determines whether or not they're still here or if they were scrapped years ago. And whether they'll still be around in another 50 years or not. Check the brakes, too - and as much as I like to complain about what until recently considered an idiotic brake design (thanks for the education, Don(MO)!), when they used to be worked regularly the brakes were being relined every 3-4 years so the pins never had much chance to seize up like they do (or seem to) today. Have fun! |
Posted By: frnkeore
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:14am
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Yes, a very nice looking farm fresh tractor! Gerald, that link, doesn't work for me. ------------- Frank 1959 D17 Series I #24001+, '59 D14 '55 & '59 Ford 850 & 861 Ferguson TO 35 Deluxe, Oliver 70 and 5 more. |