How to tie em down
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Topic: How to tie em down
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Subject: How to tie em down
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:19am
This guy KNOWS how to tie em down. Just maybe forgot the safety chains on the hitch. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:21am
Best comment on Facebook; he sure STUCK the landing  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:21am
| Wow, did you see that or is it a repost? |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:58am
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That’s the way to do. I seen a guy last week that had a car just rolling back and forth on the trailer. He only had 2 straps pulling the same direction that were loose, Very scary! ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Brian S(NY)
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 8:13am
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I'd be angry with Kubota, the hood latch failed ;) ------------- God made man.Sam colt made man equal. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:12am
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Instead of an improperly secured load it is an improperly secured trailer. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:37am
 ...or chain.
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:52am
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I would bet the tail wagged the dog. The safety chains on a trailer are meant to cradle the hitch should it hop off the ball, not keep the 2 halves together when the trailer starts whipping like mad. That said, none of us know what failed as I haven't seen an official post stating why. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 10:16am
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There doesn't seem to be wheels/tires on this side of the Trailer. One looks like its laying in the median. Maybe he lost a wheel or wheel studs? The load stayed right where it was supposed to stay though..... mailto:Steve@B&B" rel="nofollow - Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: festus51
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 10:18am
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Now that is something that I have never seen before! ------------- We the unwilling Led by the unqualified Doing the impossible for the Ungrateful |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 11:48am
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Scary! That truck is exactly like mine! And I have a trailer like that hooked behind it right now. Better say some prayers...... ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 12:08pm
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I just read what happened in a Facebook post. Tail wagged dog, truck rolled 3 or 4 times into the ditch. They don't know how or why the tail started to wag. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 12:12pm
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When I secure a load this is how I imagine it will happen . Overkill should be applied when lives are at stake . ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 12:46pm
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Not enough tongue wight, I have had a trailer or too that felt loose. Nott fun. The loader bucket should have been on top of the rack and tractor forward on trailer. Hope he recovers ok. Leon B Mo ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 2:22pm
Or it should have been backed on the trailer.
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Leon B MO wrote:Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 2:48pm
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I agree - not enough tongue weight, and it appears to be some piece of equipment on the rear of the tractor. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 2:57pm
| Know two fellas will NOT hang safety chains, told them they had better be broken if trailer comes loose as their insurance is liable where they may deny coverage, one decided to start using them, the other refuses. I have safety chain on EVERY trailer I own, use them religiously, trailered the 180 with loader with a 3008 Bush Hog on it many times, knew it would explode chains in a roll over but had it lashed tight!! |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 3:18pm
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There's no excuse for not using safety chains. That's just being stupid!! PERIOD. Around here, the law enforcement always checks Trailers for safety chains, breakaway switches etc. No reason in Hell not to have ALL the safety equipment while towing and have whatever your towing tied down correctly. Could save your life as well as other innocent lives while rollin' down the road at the high speeds people travel. Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 5:56pm
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Wag the tail is what happened. It should have been backed on with enough tongue weight to make it pull safely. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ted in NE-OH
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 8:35pm
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Looks like had the load as far forward as he could get without backing it on. Wonder what really happened and the cause. ------------- CA, WD, C, 3 Bs, 2 Gs, WC, I-400, 914 |
Posted By: MDWilliams338
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 8:50pm
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I would’ve like to have seen this go down in person.....at a good distance of course🧐 ------------- ‘42B,’45B,’48C,’51CA,’52CA,’69170,1935WC,1936WC,WD,WD Highcrop,WD45,WF,D10/14/15/17/19 It isn’t how you die.It’s what you live for.-Daniel Boone |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:29pm
| APPEARS THE TRAILER IS TO LIGHT DUTY FOR THAT HAUL, AND I'LL BET SPEED HAD ALOT TO DO WITH IT! |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 4:38am
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I came up behind a pickup pulling a disc on its own wheels down the interstate. Not on a trailer but on its own wheels. Sure enough it started to wag so bad that it was jerking the trucks rear end several feet one way then the other way and making skid marks on the asphalt as it did it. Dirt was flying off the disk and all over the road but he was able to slow down and got it under control but as I passed him all you could see was big wide eyes on the guys in the front seat of that truck. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 6:32am
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I've never hauled a tractor with a loader..... I don't think, but if that tractor didn't have a loader the way I'd haul it on my trailer is to have the tractor positioned so the center of the tractor rear axle is just a few inches ahead of the center of the trailer rear axle. That had always worked well for me. With a loader I'd be in favor of backing it on if the tongue weight doesn't get to be too great. It appears to me that in this case the tongue weight would be a factor if backed on but I don't know what he was pulling this load with or what was on the back of that tractor. If possible, I would have set the bucket further forward onto the trailer hitch. And I do agree, that trailer LOOKS entirely too light. Looks more like a lawn mower size trailer. My final verdict is that the trailer was too small (short) and too light to comfortably haul that tractor with a loader.
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:43am
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He did use safety chains. They were still attached to the truck. Something catastrophic happened, the tail wagged the dog, and the truck rolled 4 times. AaronSEIA
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 7:48am
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Guessing over weight for trailer and too much speed which will shear the lugs on the hubs. Was with a buddy that did the same thing without the roll over. A scary ride and I don't think he learned a thing about speed and overloading a trailer. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:09am
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Looks like he did a good job. Regardless of what happened, if the trailer comes unhooked from the truck, whatever is on the trailer is supposed to stay on the trailer. ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:11am
My wife last night showed me that picture on the Illinois State Police page for the district it was in. It said something like if you want to know how to tie down a load, talk to this guy. If you want to know how to hook up a trailer, talk to someone else.  ------------- On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's) |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:16pm
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What I saw said a wheel came off the trailer first, must be true, I read it on the internet. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 6:38pm
Looking back to the photo have to agree, tractor rear axle three feet behind rear trailer axle, TOO short and TOO light a setup, should have backed on. I would suspect the wheel came off from side load swinging sheared the lugs. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 8:57pm
If ya ever saw what waggin the dog can do to a trailer, you'd know how the wheel came off.  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 4:51am
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 5:44am
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THANKS DIY ! EVERYONE needs to watch the video !!! It makes you think, yeesh..! so I have 2 questions... In another video, about semis losing their trailers(SCARY !!).....it got me thinking.. 1) are there NO safety chains required ? We need them for lil trailers.... 2) shouldn't the air brakes come on when trailer disconnects ? Like electric braked trailers?? Jay
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 8:46am
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I have a 20' flat bad. I use an equalizing hitch with a stabilizer. ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 11:17am
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Gonna take a pretty large set of safety chains to hold a trailer that can weight 70,000+ Lbs going 60-80 mph when it comes loose! What type of brake chambers the trailer has wil determine if it applies when they lose air, almost all the ones on the road now have huge springs that will lock the brakes if air is lost ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 12:05pm
| Quite a different hitch overall as well. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 6:29pm
Air pressure keeps the brakes OFF, on modern semis... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 07 May 2019 at 2:13pm
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Doubles and triples usually have safety chains, but not singles. David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 7:15am
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Man the trailer at the 2:15 spot really got dusted! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 3:29pm
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Most of the following vehicles are WAY TOO CLOSE!!! The one at the 3:40 mark just kept on going, following,,,,,,,I'd a been two blocks back!! The one at 4:15...............You'd NEVER catch me following that close!! I've seen what logs can do when loose on the highway. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 08 May 2019 at 4:11pm
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Complete lack of knowledge & no common sense translates to FATAL! Praying that everyone survived to learn from it. |