NO-TILL COULTER THOUGHTS
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Topic: NO-TILL COULTER THOUGHTS
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: NO-TILL COULTER THOUGHTS
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 9:12pm
| What is the concenceous pertaining to N/T coulters on any brand of planter? We run a 7000 JD consertil with them on it now(was purchased already on it and possibly from the factory?). We had to plant last spring in somewhat more "moist" soil conditions than we like to and in spots during fall harvest, I could still make out the unclosed "wave" outline of the coulter. I am contemplating removing them before planting this season regardless of soil dampness. We plant in min-til soil BTW. Thanks |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2019 at 9:17pm
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I have a 2 row 7000 set up for food plots. Last year I plowed a patch and disced it, but when I planted, I went another 40 to 50 feet past the plowed ground. Corn came up great in the plowed ground, but probably only 1/3 of it made it in the no tilled sod. I'm pretty sure the seed didn't get covered. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 5:00am
| I don't use or need them on my White no-till planter. I plant into previous crop residue with cover crops. Need to make sure the openers are in good shape though. I also use row cleaners to move most of the residue aside in front of the openers. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 5:35am
| We have a 12/23 Kinze and removed all of them. Don’t no till much but where we do doesn’t bother it at all. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 7:21am
| There are at least three different types of NoTill coulters. Two inch wave.....one inch wave.....and one inch bubble. All of them are NOT high speed attachments, because they tend to throw dirt out from the seed trench. Speeds need to be kept somewhat down, like less than 4 mph.. The wider the coulter, the worse the problem. The wetter the soil, the worse the problem. The one inch bubble is my preference because it cuts thru trash better and has the least amount of soil throwing. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 7:39am
Well said. Planting is no place to be setting speed records. The only thing I would add, is make sure you have good closing wheels too.
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DrAllis wrote:Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 8:18am
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You are either planting way to wet which will cause the seed trench to open up as the soil dries out or you need different closing wheels or need more pressure on the closing wheels. I have heard of people no tilling without the coulters and doing a good job. Tom |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 3:20pm
| You need the coulters or row cleaners on there if you're no tilling. The opener will have a tough time cutting through corn stalks or wads of bean residue. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2019 at 5:55pm
We have the row cleaners( my fault for not specifying) and in my original post(don't know if you read it) we are min-til. We normally don't plant into such damp soil but maybe some of you don't recall the planting conditions 340 days ago?? Thanks for the replies though.
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2019 at 7:01am
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I'm not sure what you meant by min-til. I'd guess that means you run a vt over it a couple times? I know what you mean about the wet ground! The Kinziw with ripple coulters I drive for beans is the same as a 7000. I don't remember the coulter waves in the ground, but I have trouble getting the trench to close sometimes.
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 4:39am
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For no-till or any other planting practices, REMOVE NO-TILL COULTERS. Yes, residue managers help remove potential hair pinning of stalk residue into seed furrow. Like some others already stated, a good sharp pair of furrow double disc openers will suffice. NOTE: Before planting season, do the business card trick to know if disc are too worn or require shimming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8OL19cUOgJw" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8OL19cUOgJw Now take the money you’d used to buy no-till coulters & buy a complete set of Keeton SEED FIRMERS. These offer a more consistent seed depth in furrow. If your planter’s double disc openers are sharp & shimmed correctly, they’ll cut an even seed furrow into consistent soil moisture. No-till coulters can mix top surface dryer soil into moister soils & allow seeds less contact with even soil moisture in furrow. Make every seed count! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 8:33am
They're a lot like the ones shaping up 25 days from now!
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 4:42pm
Sadly I have a bad feeling about a "repeat" after seeing the 15 day 'cast
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 10:23pm
| The guys at New Ag Talk say get rid of coulters and advise use of trash whippers. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 10:28pm
| In certain hard soil no-til conditions, the lack of a no-til coulter will cause a lot more wear on disc openers by themselves. |
Posted By: CBnwo
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 6:50pm
| I farm some ground that wouldn’t let just the disc openers do the job.... but we’ve never seen an issue with the no till coulters |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 6:10pm
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I was able to get into the barn yesterday(Easter Sunday)and got hibernating engines fired up for the first time since mid-November and took a glance at what would be involved with removing the entire N/T coulter assembly. Sadly it is NOT as straight forward as I had hoped, the aftermarket row cleaners are attached to the coulter arms . I suppose I could remove the coulters from their "arms"??
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 3:32am
| I have them for my 6 row, but have never used them. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 6:46am
Yeah, you should be able to just remove the "axle" bolt and leave the arms there....
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 6:09pm
| Thanks Tbone |
Posted By: otis3
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2019 at 9:22pm
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i have notilled lots in the past.a mistake a lot of people make,me too till i learned the hard way,coulters should not go any deeper than your going to plant.maybe shallow by half inch or three eights of plant depth. |
Posted By: fourthgeneration
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 5:37pm
| We have soil that works without coulters but we have soil that new openers will not penatrate to the proper depth without. We have a 6606 and I alway lift the bean units up when planting corn. |