Since Feb 4th, the date the items arrived, I have sent3 pm's, all of which Dawntreader74 opened within 8 hours, but he never sent 1 reply. I have also called several times, left 2 voicemails, had 1 call answered and instantly hung up on by Dawntreader74.

 

Dawntreader74 has proven the ability in the past to answer phone calls and private messages. I am unaware of any medical condition which would allow him to open a pm but prevent him from responding.  Had I gotten a response that "I sent cash in the mail and the post office lost it" I would be satisfied. However, that is not the case, as he lacked that level of creativity.  I may be out $77 that he never paid but I can sleep at night knowing that I have never been a lowlife that screwed somebody through the internet.

 

Some may think it is in bad taste that I make this post, and the moderators may even remove it. I have had many wonderful experiences with other forum members, but when I encounter a rotten egg, I feel it is prudent to warn others.

 

Bob Love aka "Dawntreader74" is a deadbeat from Bourbonnais Illinois.

 

Josh Krysl

Chambers, Nebraska

I always ship before getting paid.  I have to go to the post office to get the price of shipping so I ain't gonna make two trips!  Although I don't do a lot of selling, I have never had a problem with any forum member, fortunately!  Great bunch of folks, except maybe from Nebraska!! LMAO!!

Thank You for the heads up, and the moderators should not remove your post, they should remove the guilty party from the forum.

   I also have had a few bad experiences with a small group of others and have a NO SALE list. 

 

 Did he make u pay for parts before he shipped them .

As with any business transaction: the customer pays for the part(s)/shipping first, then they get they're parts. Keeps everyone honest. There are a choosen few as Rick said that I don't worry about here. He's one of them! Its a shame a few like this guy Dawntreader that ruin it for other family members here. I look at us as a big family here where we all take care of one another when help is needed. And it doesn't mean having to buy somethin' either. Hopefully, he'll scrape up the dough to send to Josh and get square....

Steve@B&B

Bob Love, known as dawntreader74 of Bourbonnais, IL .,

 You have been on here 8 hours 9 minutes ago at 12:10am , and been a member here since 28 Oct 2013 at 10:56pm...

 Clean up your act and PAY the man... make it right.   You would expect others to pay you if you sent stuff to them ... 

dawntreader74 wrote: i am on hear today bob is my uncle. i am hear with my dad' he help me get on this so called post. start with this man should of never put this bs on hear the start with. he has went to er been sick in a bad way for over 26 days. this man had the sand to start this im sure he will have the sand to say he jump the gun after said an done. for the rest an this wayne guy' i me an my dad have the tool we bought from his brother we payed him cash for it an the guy wanted the combine gone before we could move it an got mad an said he was keeping it. no hard feelings. we never seen wayne guy don't even know the man. i been on hear looking myself at things im on this post with my dad. we hear this is a big guy that wants to bully some little person. dad is 6'6 an around 380 if he wants this tool he keeps bring up he can buy it back an come get it or forget it an just let it go he won't bully us. sounds like you all are trying to kick a person when there down. sorry it had to come to this but we seen to much bs on hear some people need to keep there comments to there self if they don't know whats going on' it was wrong to even started this.

Well seeing how you'd like to set things straight and an admiralable thing for a good nephew

to do why not give your Uncle a hand writing a check and mailing it out?

Finally some one from the clan answered.

 'I am on hear today' and 'start with'... , 'this is BS'...

  Yes, it is BS.   Bob Love received the items, 50 days ago,  whoever opened the three emails and answered the phone once should have had the courtesy 40 days ago to at least say, "Hi, I am Bob's sister, brother, mother, father, aunt, uncle, niece, nephew or other... and I am sorry to inform you that Bob is sick... Bob's in the hospital,... Bob is on vacation... Bob isn't paying,... or Bob has died. " ...  At least Josh would have an idea of what was happening to Bob (Dawntreader74) and the so called 'BS' would have probably been avoided.  But instead the BS started on your end towards Josh. and it is simple as that.

 And what was Josh suppose to do when the private emails were opened and not answered, and phone calls stopped being answered, and one phone call was answered but hung up without saying anything...

What was Josh suppose to do, drive all the way to Bob Love's place to collect payment?

NO, the proper thing would have been to reply to Josh and tell him what was going on.

 I made a deal through this forum with a fellow one time, he said he would be coming up to a show "come hell or high water" deal was done, I would meet him there at a certain place on the grounds in x number of weeks and marked it on my calendar... . I was there and he was not.   I picked up the phone and called him and he said he totally forgot... he had been in the hospital for almost 2 weeks from getting burned from gas getting sprayed on his pants and then ignited and he had just gotten out a few days ago. Told him I was sorry to hear of his mishap and hoped he would heal fast.  If I would have just called him the night before going down to the show, I would have known he wasn't going to be there, and not wasted the day on the road.

 Clear communications makes life better.  and it would have been far better if who-ever was seeing the emails and heard the phone ring would have simply answered them back at that time.   Take this as a lesson in life.

I don't want to say too much, but I had a hard time following his post and had to reread it a few times. One thing I noticed right away, if you compare the "nephew's" post to all of Bob's other posts, the bad spelling/grammer/punctuation and the seemingly random apostrophes peppered throughout the message is all quite similar.  

The reply I see, looks like trash and threats to me... decent people don't do that.

There was a gentleman on another forum (machine tools) who claimed to be 'retired', looking for a good lathe, wanted to know all about a particular brand and model... that was imported from China.  He talked like he was budgeting $12,500 for it, which considering the quality, was WAY too much.  Just so happened I had an extra Cinci Traytop 13 that fit his needs perfectly, had three chucks, live and dead centers, steady and follow, and a Phase II toolpost, a taper attachment, and a VFD that I'd recently installed.  and I was willing to sell it to him for $2000, but he was in southern Ohio, and I was in Iowa.  I'm naturally a 'too nice' of a guy at times... I had a machine that was doing nobody any good, and it needed a loving home, where it could make itself worth, and make a guy happy in his shop.

Just so happens that as part of my employment, one of the 'perks' is that i could tow a trailer behind my company service truck, and I had no problem arranging an assignment that put me on the path, so I agreed to bring it to him.  He was concerned that he couldn't unload it or get it placed in his 'workshop'.  Since I had a pallet jack, and had the Cinci on a nice, stable fabricated base, it was no problem for me to unload it off the trailer, into his garage, so he promised to 'have access and placement ready'.

I showed up at his house, and his 'preparation' of the 'shop', was to slide some garbage cans away from his garage door, and prop the (broken) door open with a 2x4.  The garage floor had junk everywhere, and NONE of it had been worked on for years.  The 'area' prepared, needed to have trash raked out of the way.  The 'power' outlet was non existant- he 'wasn't able' to get an electrician out to put in a 240v/35A outlet in place.  Turns out, he wasn't 'retired'.  He was lazy... and had been living on the dole for best parts of a man's employable life.

Of course, he was concerned that since I couldn't 'prove' that it operated right then, and he 'couldn't get to the bank' for the 'rest', he handed me $700, and promised me the rest once he got it  hooked up and tested... and figured that once he did, he'd be doing enough odd-jobs in his shop to make the rest 10x over in a few months.

Think I ever saw the rest?  Not a dime.  Called him probably a dozen times, and I got a dozen excuses.  I was nice about it... I was more interested in hearing that he'd gotten it fired up, and was cutting metal.  Instead, he was more interested in telling me about how bad his health was... in between chain-smoking, and rattling his wife's oxygen bottle.

Am I upset about the $1300?  Nope.  I lost $26k when a former employer's 401K agent went down for embezzellment and although I got the judgement, I never saw a penny come back.  I had a kid in high school steal and destroy ONE of my shoes... just one... (sigh).

I was pissed, because he deprived some other guy... some decent human being... some guy that needed a really good lathe in his shop, and probably didn't have even $700 in hand... but could'a easily made all and then some with just a little ambition, giving the machine what it needed-  a loving home.  Mebbie that guy would've been an Allis guy... or a Cub Cadet guy... or a Goldwing Guy... or a HAM Radio guy... or any of the other guys on forums I volley notes with... or a 17 year old kid that longs for the ability to build 'real' parts for his inventions.  This guy shafted THEM... out of something that was greater than money.

Do I let it eat me?  No.  There's a nice little place in hell for people who do that, I let it go.  Doesn't make it right, but I did what God and Mother Nature put me on this earth to do, and regardless of his circumstances, he did what he did.  We'll all get our rewards in the long run.

I'm certain there's people I owed, that amidst all that's befallen me at times, I've overlooked and forgotten, and I apologize to anyone I've done that to, if and when I figure them out, I'll make right somehow, and ask forgiveness for those I missed.  Hopefully the times I exercised forgiveness and pay-forward will offset that which I screwed up.

Chin up, eyes forward. 

Guys, guys guys...let's give the benefit of the doubt.  That may not have been a threat, but rather an obtuse way of saying that they're all dealing with type II diabetes.

....but seriously, folks, there are about a thousand ways to avoid someone resorting to calling you out on a forum.  Most involve some form of doing what you said you would do, paying what you owe and answering attempts at communication.  It's not rocket science and a person does not need impressive writing skills to do any of them.

 

Not many like you left in this world, although most of them seem to be on this forum.

You or I either one could out run 'im until his tired....10 or 12 steps!

About a year later his wife was deathly ill and he could not afford medicine, and nobody would lend him a penny.  Eventually we did, but not before making the point that he might want to think things through a lot better.

They say, if you loan somebody $20 and you never see them again, it was a good investment!

 

In your case, you still had to work with the guy, knowing he was an idiot.  Hopefully your point was made!

Ed- you're probably right, I should have, or at least, just walked away.  Fact is, by virtue of circumstances of my road assignment I was committed the moment I pulled out of the driveway.

Ted, Elliott... I have full confidence that both of you would do right by my efforts and put a machine to good use... and I assure you that an hour spent in a diner with napkins and pens, Charlie would easily teach us all some really great lessons on technique and safety, so we don't end up with nicknames like 'one eye' or 'knuckles'... ;-) 

Suffice to say, there are things that money cannot buy, and while the sacrifices we make for those things seems extreme at times, the benefits of that investment return to the world in the hundred-fold.  What did the man say... "We don't choose it because it is easy, we choose it because it is hard".

It was three weeks, but only a couple days each week....

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