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Topic: 10-B parts manual

Posted By: bvs
Subject: 10-B parts manual
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 2:20pm

Hi friends,

I'm very happy, that finally I'm part of this forum. I looking for spare parts manual for crawler dozer Fiat-Allis 10B on PDF and I will be happy if someone can help me. Cheers

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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 2:34pm

Try Minnpar

Posted By: bvs
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 2:42pm

There is only for 10C

Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 5:19pm

We've got a 10 and the parts book for it. Our service manual covers 10B as well. It is

FL10 - FL 10B crawler loader, 10 - 10B dozer Service Manual. Print No 604.06.077 English.

There were some changes in transmission and brake/steering pump arrangements from 10 to 10B and the 6 roller track frame became standard.

IIRC the 10C uses a different engine. I'd suspect a lot of the rest is likely the same as a 10B.

If you asked you might find Minnpar still has a parts manual copy for 10B, just not showing.

Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2019 at 6:02pm

Congratulations and welcome to the Forum. This is the very best place for all things AC.

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Posted By: bvs
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:37pm

Thanks for welcoming. I found a manual for FL 10B, I think that the engine is the same, unfortunately I can't find manual print No 604.06.077. Would you send me all links, which are connected with my machine. Please refer to pictures of the plates and the whole dozer. Can you recognized the dozzer, as well the engine itself.

Thanks in advance

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Posted By: bvs
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:39pm

Here are more photos

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:40pm

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:41pm

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:41pm

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:50pm

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:51pm

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Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 1:52pm

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Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 9:17pm

The engine in both loader and dozer is the same for FA 10 and FA 10B. It is a Fiat OM CP3 - 100. In the 10B they wound high idle up about 100 rpm for 125 hp. There are different types for direct drive dozer and converter equipped ones - mainly around the flywheel I think.

There are quite a few things different between loader and dozer in undercarriage and the torque converter has a different torque ratio. Plus loader is foot steer. Probably others - I've never seen a loader

I just asked one of our local suppliers and a 10C uses a Fiat 8365 - 05 engine

Posted By: bvs
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 11:30pm

Thanks for the message, friend. I am sorry for my late reply, but here in Bulgaria is now 7.30 AM.

So, could we summarize:

- The FD 10B has a OM CP3-100 engine / the same as the FL 10B / and a chassis like FD 10C. In this case I do not know which type of manual for 10C we can use from Minnpar / there are several types 10C /.

- What would be the difference between OM CP3-100 and OM CP3-100/2 engines.

Bob

Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 3:13am

I have no information on 10C's apart from that engine type I found. I saw one once - on a truck in the distance. Never seen a 10B either but do have the service manual.

However I would guess that, unless they had to change to do a late fix, there would be little difference between 10B and 10C chassis. Most of the bugs should have been found by then.

From the plain FA 10 parts book (the one I have is dozer only)

CP3 - 100 - Var 1 is the engine when equipped with direct drive transmission - which will be dozer only

CP3 - 100 - Var 2 is the engine when equipped with torque converter transmission

Might explain the -2 bit as, by the service manual, loaders only had this transmission

Those 10C books at Minnpar seem to be by serial number of machine. You can look at them on line - I'd suggest you have a look at the earliest one relative to your machine. Incidently it is 617 pages and seems dozer only.