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Topic: CHAINSAWS!!
Posted By: DREAM
Subject: CHAINSAWS!!
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 8:35pm
Just wonderin what you fellers used for firewood and other chores.
I just got a "new" Homelite XL2 auto from dad. Ran, but turns out its gonna need some work. Looking on the interweb for good used or NOS parts. Glad to see they can be had.
Really like that little saw. Its a top handle model with two triggers. One right by the front handle for one handed operation, and another towards the rear for safer two handed work. Nice and light.
Also just bought a super clean Mcculloch Pro Mac 700 from the local shop. Doesn't look like its got many hours on it. I believe it may still have the original chain on it. Still has the Mac bar. Came with an 18" bar. Gonna go with a 28" and skip tooth chain for the larger stuff. It goes well with the Pro Mac 1010 Super that dad gave me a few years ago. Stout saw. Super loud! I love the old Macs. Plenty of power.
 
Got a CS4400 Echo for a mid size saw, 3400 poulan in Sears black and grey, Stihl 009L for small jobs(probably fixing to get replaced by the Homie), and part owner of a Stihl 661 mtronic. Son keeps that one. Its about too heavy for me to play with anymore.


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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!



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Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 8:53pm
I've got a 029 for regular stuff, and a 440 Magnum with a hop-up piston,cylinder& muffler kit on it for the real big stuff. Lost the compression release when we did the kit, my shoulder isn't as happy cranking it as it used to be! I have my late Dad's old 1010, loudest saw I ever ran, but a cutting fool after you finally got it cranked. My Dad always joked it took three to cut wood with it, one to carry it into the woods, one to get it started, last one to cut with it.


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Allis Express North Georgia
41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's,
Ford 345C TLB


Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:03pm
That 440 should be a hoss, especially if you ported it when you did the big bore kit and the muffler mod. One thing about that Mac, it came from the factory with the muffler "modded" already.LOL
Ive heard other folks say the Macs were hard to get going, but both of mine pop right off after 4-6 pulls. Idid have to richen the low side on the 700 when I got it home. Pulled that thing til I got light-headed before I got the carb screwdriver out.Confused


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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!


Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:16pm
Dream, one of the Stihl factory techs that did hot saws installed, tinkered and tuned it at our dealership when they were doing a school, he played with it all week, I saw it tach out at a bit over 14,500 rpm a couple of times. With the dual outlet muffler it's deafening. Needless to say, but a tank of fuel doesn't last long. It's more toy than useful, but it will walk that 32 inch bar through a good hard oak and bury you in chips in a heartbeat!


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Allis Express North Georgia
41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's,
Ford 345C TLB


Posted By: TDF
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:20pm
Running a Husqvarna 345 with 18inch bar out here. Had it for a quite a while now. Maybe 6 or 8 years and a lot of wood under its belt now. On my second bar and still starts on the third or so pull consistently. Replaced an old craftsman with it. The craftsman was one heck of a cutter but heavier and had started having running issues. Plus it was a manual oiler type and I would get tired a running that little pumper. Might try a Stihl when the Husky wears out just to see if all the hype is true.

TDF


Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:25pm
A Sthil 028 or my old 031 does all the firewood cutting I can stand and still have my hearing.   My dad lost his hearing to a Remington


Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:43pm
I picked up a pro mac 1010 for free and have to agree it's the only saw I really have to wear hearing protection for,.. it rattles my head.
 Problem I've been having with it is the rods are disconnecting from the pistons, when the needle bearing rollers migrate out of the pistons.
 Second time it's happened. Might try some sleave retainer this time.

 Also have a John Deere EV 55,.. it's an Echo in disguise.

 Most of the small stuff is done with a poulan super 25 DA or one of it's craftsmen clones.

 I did dumpster dive one of those homelites with 2 places to grip, for topping limbs. But the coil is bad,.. and they put bar oil in the fuel tank.

I took a small chainsaw blade, cut it in half and welded thick washers to each end. Tie ropes to both ends.
 With my homemade leather throw bags and some zingit, I can put a rope anywhere 50- 60 feet up in a tree.
 Throw some support ropes up to a higher limb.
 Throw the 2-man chainsaw up into the tree and grab a neighbor.


Posted By: ocharry
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 9:47pm
I got a pair of 65 husqvarna saws...20" bars...they are heavy and old but when you lay them on a log all ya got a do is pull the trigger....best part...lol...they are orange

The second one came from my buddy...it didn't run and the saw shop wouldn't work on it because of age and parts availability ...he gave it to me...I brought it home...put a new fuel line and filter on it and a carb kit...used it today and it runs like a new 30 year old saw

Getting some wood in cuzz looks like ol shameless has his sheen pointed toward Missouri and they saying we gona get some.....pretty

OK...bring it....170 is ready and ol huskys did some work today

I use ear muffs when I am sawing...trying to save my hearing...a little late....tenitis ...not to bad but the muffs do help

Ocharry


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 10:31pm
Stihl 461 and 026 which is 28 years old! Just bought a Husqvarna 240 to help the old 026. I like the 240 nice light saw for trimming and small cutting. For the big trees the 461 does the job for me.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 11:07pm
Just dropped the big, mostly-dead maple along side my driveway this morning.  Used my Shindaiwa 575 with 24" bar for the drop, Stihl MS-180 with 14" 0.050 bar to lop the limbs smaller than 14"... exhaust has been opened, timing advanced a few degrees, with a sharp blade, it really goes.  I've got an Echo CS310 with 14" skinny bar, nice for trimming off the crap, but no modifications- it's rather restrictive in exhaust, but nice and quiet.

On the way:  Stihl 038AV with 28" bar, and a Stihl 026 that'll need a little cleaning up, the 38 may get a Magnum P&C and some slight machine work...

Someday, an Echo CS-2511, a Stihl 056 with 30" bar, and a Stihl MS-880 or 88 Magnum with a 48" bar...


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 5:04am
I bought a Echo over 20 years ago, its cut many cords of wood. I had some 24-36" red elm logs stored off the ground for at least 7 years. I thought the saw got to running real crappy when cutting this stuff. Wasn't running crappy, turns out I took the clutch out. They took the spark plug out looked at it regapped it and put it back in. That was the first time the plug had been out in all those years. Many chains later its still going strong.


Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 5:47am
Couple of antiques here.  Bought a Poulan counter vibe 3400 new, must have been back in the 80's.  I will not be able to wear it out.  Have heated with wood up until this year.  Going to retire it and me from that pleasure at my 76 year mark.  One thing you could always bet on is that on first start up it would take exactly 12 pulls.  Confused

Stihl o1 something with 14 inch blade for light work.

Just thinking that that Poulan would make a good boat anchor as heavy as it is.  LOL





Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 6:18am
Have an Echo 650EVL, the same as JD 65EV, bought new 35yrs ago and sawed a lot of fire wood, timbered off 5 acre of woods, fence line trimming, backed over it with my D17(that caused a few yellow parts on it) and loaned it out a few times, still runs pretty much like new.  Before that my father had a Remington that worked very well for many years until it burnt in a fire. Remington also made the JD chain saws before Echo did.
 An old-timer friend told me one time that there are two things you don't loan out, your chainsaw or your wife! 


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 6:20am
Back in the day there was a Homelite dealer 2 miles from me. I was there one day getting a chain ground after I had hit wire in a tree cleaning a fencerow. An elderly man brought a saw in the dealer had sharpened the chain on declaring "This saw won't cut butter"! The dealer picked up the saw looked at the bar and said" Any chainsaw will cut wood unless you put the chain on the wrong way"! We all had a good laugh!


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 7:26am
Had a Deere (Echo) 80 EV.  Was a beast.  Worked great.  Muffler rotted out which gets a little warm on the hand not to mention loud.  Looked around here a LOT for parts and couldn't get anything worth working on.  Bought a Stihl MS 290 with a 16 inch bar for doing my firewood (15-20 pulp cord per year).  Not too bad, but was the most cold blooded dang thing.  That has since been modified to cut baleage bales, and bought the updated MS 291 with an 18 inch bar.  Small enough to do most anything, big enough to do most anything if you have a little patience.  For whatever reason, this one starts a little more readily, but actually pulls a little harder.
 
There's an old dead McCullough around the farm somewhere, and an even older even deader Poulan that must weigh 20 pounds.  I don't really even count those!


Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 7:55am
Got two Stihl 028’s, a Poulan Super 250A and a Poulan 305 that was my Dad’s. They will take care of anything I need to do around the house or farm, mostly keeping me supplied with firewood.

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Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.


Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 9:31am
I have a 20" Echo CS-590, a Husky 350 that I really did like till I burned it up. An old Craftsman that is my beater saw and finally a Lombard Super Lightning.  The Lombard is a tough ole saw, even with synthetic oil smokes like #ell, runs good, sounds like a big block chainsaw but would not care to run it for 8hrs. It can be a killer.

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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 9:40am
I've got two Homelite XL-1  here...mid '70s. Needed to find a parts unit cause the 'contractor' borrowed mine and demoed it...



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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 9:40am
I have waay too many but have the correct saw for every job, LOL.
Stihl 660, 461, 361, 260, 036, 250, 210. Husqvarna 576. Couple Shindaiwa which are largely unknown but great saws. We don't take extra chains to the woods, we take extra saws


Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 11:50am
Husqvarna 372, 370 Echo that runs fantastic after some tweeking and twerking, {IE} get that cat out of the muffler and open the carb and an old Homie EZ that refuses to say enough. A few others are kept in my morgue but not worth mention in their current state.


Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 11:59am
Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

I've got two Homelite XL-1  here...mid '70s. Needed to find a parts unit cause the 'contractor' borrowed mine and demoed it...

      At one time there was a site named House of Homelite, if it's still there them guys will turn up whatever you need I bet.


Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 12:45pm
Had a couple of Poulans before they got cheap. I think they were an XXV and a 3450 maybe? Next Poulans was so bad I gave it to the SIL. Got a Husqvarnia ( I'm sure that is misspelled) maybe a 350 model, good saw but the best has by far been the Stihl 009 and the MS370 that I use at the farm.

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1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

1956 F40 Ferguson


Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by nella(Pa) nella(Pa) wrote:

An old-timer friend told me one time that there are two things you don't loan out, your chainsaw or your wife! 


You got that right, dad told me the same thing 55 years ago. I always keep an old junker to loan out, preferably one that barely runs but the chain will be so dull it wouldn't make sander dust and the gas and oil tanks are kept empty. When they complain I say you got it the same condition it was in when returned by the last borrower


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 3:24pm
I heard that one of them has a USB port ! When the engine gets outta whack..you have to take it to the repair place, plug into a computer, pay $100 and it's fixed !
This from an arborist who said I should buy an Echo NOTStihl, as Stihl have gone downhill in the past few years.


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 4:12pm
There's a vid on utube where Echo loaned a handful of saws to some of the bigger arborists outfits to be used in comp with comparable sized Stihls. Echo actually won but the guys didn't like the toggle on/off switch and the sliding choke control.


Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 4:31pm
45 different ones here. Main ones are echo cs-310 and cs-8000. have 650-evl's but starters are bad so can't use them. Husky 235 is great little saw. have a bunch of the newer poulans, they work good for me.
macs include the eager beaver 2.0's, and 3.7's
Homelites  xl-2, sxl, sxlao's, 33cc, 38cc ,46cc , etc, 3514, 3816, and the favorite of all time the 8800
There are more that I missed, oh ya the barker, stihl ms-250. its ok since I rebuilt it with china-chink parts!--- thanks ac fleet


Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 5:34pm
In the 50s the local AC dealer sold Clinton chain saws. I've got the last one my dad had from the late 50s.

Dusty


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Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 6:03pm
Had a 7-10 McCulloch .Had 71 cc motor used it for years.Had usually mac cranking problems,Put elecotronic ign in it and made a world of difference.Must have went through 5 or 6 bars and lots of chains.Got a lightweight Steihl and now can not pull it to  crank. Welcome to old age.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 6:35pm
re:... Welcome to old age.

yeah...I can't pull gas saws either Cry
my goto chainsaw is ELECTRIC ! I use it to shorten everything less then 14" round to 10-12" long 'stubbies'. Those I can get onto the ELECTRIC splitter.
Arborist dropped off elm and mulberry today , I only burn for fun in firepit..I could heat 24/7/365 with the logs that get dropped off here.

Jay


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2019 at 6:40pm
Forgot about the Shindaiwas. That 575 is a stout saw.
Used to sell those for a little while. great equipment. Supplier was not the easiest to deal with.
Anybody with "dead" Mccullochs can just send em on down here. I got a nice resting place for em.
I am currently on the House of Homelite forum, as well as arboristsite.com. Lots of folks with some good experience there.
 
Heard of Lombards, just never seen one. Seen a couple of Remingtons. Not real popular down here. Used to see several Pioneers, but most of those are gone now.
 
I don't really see many old saws, since im not working on em anymore. Don't have much time to go scrounge around yard sales and old dealers back rooms either. Everythings closed by the time I get off work.
 
Definitely want some ear muffs or plugs with older saws. That little Homie is loud as heck too! Mccullochs just sound so good! Rev quick and just moan with the bar buried in some good hardwood! Sometimes I forget the earplugs, but it don't take long to get reminded.
 
Mr Murphy, sounds like you got a nice little hotrod there.


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I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 1:19pm
Jetsaw
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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp, 2010 Bolens 14hp


Posted By: Robert Musgrave
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2019 at 7:34pm
Use a Dolmar 420 w/14" 3/8 LP chain bought in 2012--it replaces a Sachs-Dolmar Model 112 w/ an 18" bar bought in 1985.  It helps that I can go to a "smaller" saw while son and son-in-law have the big Makitas!  R. Musgrave


Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 6:55pm
The old McCullochs are good saws, but they will numb your hands after running them a while like any old saw. I've been using a Husqvarna 272XP for firewood lately.


Posted By: wide
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 5:09pm
That jet saw was one of the coolest projects I've seen.
 What is everyone using to sharpen their chainsaw?
 Just using a file? "Get the gullet"
 Or using an electric sharpener wheel.


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 8:07pm
On the saw, I cut a notch into a chunk of trunk, set the brake, and use the file.

When I'm done, I pull them off, and they get a visit from the grinder.  I have an Oregon.

All my saws run 0.050" gauge, 3/8" pitch chain... and at the moment, I buy chains individually, but I'll be buying a bulk roll and a chain tool to make them up as I need them.  I don't like to sharpen or change chains while working... I just grab the second, third, and fourth saw... Wink

Oh, and I used the new-to-me 038 cutting up the big nasty maple out front... it came to me as the dirtiest chainsaw I've ever seen... darned thing was full of gas that smelled like a mixture of saurkraut and pinapple juice... dumped it out in the driveway, had to pour some fresh gas in it to make it light up Dead  then I poured fresh mix in, let it sit for 10 minutes, then set choke and pulled it six times, it popped, opened choke, and it woke right up... gave it 20 seconds of blipping, then one long rip to make sure it was pumping oil (it was) then placed it a 19" diameter limb... it went right through... and kept going for the next hour.

Many guys talk trash about some saws, and wave flags of others.  I've used Stihls, both older and newer, Echos older and newer... Dolmar, Husky, Efco, Shindaiwa, older Homelites, Makita... and found plenty of good saws.  I've also tried a few 'clones'.

Department store/big box store saws are frequently not-so-great... inferior materials, difficult to maintain, break easily, don't run well.  To me, a 'good' saw, is one that is easy to maintain... doesn't plug up with crap, runs well, idles well, and doesn't fall apart in operation... and of course, doesn't change in design so quick that parts become unobtainium in one year.

Lots and lots of products come out of China now... even stuff that's 'assembled in' (other places).  Big name manufacturers exhibit substantial quality control, and after that, rigid quality-assurance, on the machinery and components, and yes, there IS a difference in manufacturing quality when those parts are assembled into machines ELSEWHERE.  if you happen to buy a saw from a half-brand or overseas 'clone', as a kit, and take the time to assemble it WELL on your own, you'll wind up with a saw that's ALMOST as good as the 'real thing'.  You might get comparable performance if you 'blueprint' the clone... or substitute better aftermarket parts here-and-there.  If you open up a clone assembled overseas, don't be surprised to find metal shavings in the crankcase, casting flash on the piston and rod, a big glob of grease somewhere full of dirt, grit, or whatever.  IF that same assemblage of parts were taken to some other country, and assembled, to get a 'quality brand' name, you bet your bippy that assembly line would clean up the mess and make it better... because they want their assembly business to stay in business.

Anybody willing to define the difference between Quality Control, Quality Management, Quality Assurance, and Total Quality Production?

Quality control is when you weigh every piston coming down the assembly line, and do a statistical analysis of a large batch of parts, and then figure out where MOST of the parts fall in that group... then you throw out the ones that are NOT within the 'most' percentage.

Quality Management is when you look at the thrown out parts, and try to figure out why they're different, before you pitch 'em back into the melting pot.  Mebbie figure out if you can do something better about it.

Quality Assurance is when the parts are all done, and you go to put 'em together, you find out NONE of them fit for crap, and throw them ALL back in the pot.

Total Quality Production means you've realized that building it from the start, with the intention of making a good product, and solving all the problems WHERE they orginate, means that the Quality Assurance guy at the end of the line... doesn't have anything to do.


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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 1:08pm
In the timber I file a bit, but when I get done the chains come off and go on the Bel-saw grinder to get the teeth even! -- Don't matter how good of a filer you are, you can't get the angles and depth even on the teeth!


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 4:38pm
I just had to add. Cool
 
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 6:53am
chas, that might be dangerous for me to help on that wood working. 

I would be afraid I may loose my concentration.  LOL



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