HD5B Starter removal
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Topic: HD5B Starter removal
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Subject: HD5B Starter removal
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 1:28pm
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I finally got it out but what a pain. First I had to drop the pan that attaches to the side frames. This was a big deal as the pan was so full of dirt the dirt covered about half the starter. Add moisture and a temperature of 20 degrees and you get a block of frozen dirt. After I got the pan bolts out the pan didn’t drop. I had to pry it from the frozen dirt. Then I had to chisel away the frozen dirt to get to the starter and starter bolts, not fun. The dirt was a perfect mold of the pan. Frozen around all the cables and hoses. The next issue was getting the bolts out. The bolt heads were all 12 point and all a different size. Normally that wouldn’t bother me but when you’re 6’-4” and have to enter weave my body with the frame of the blade it gets challenging getting in and out. Anyway I got it out and putting back in should be a whole lot easier. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 1:54pm
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Dennis, Good work and perseverance will pay off. What's the starter issue? Not working I assume? Are you getting it repaired? I did my (off color) starter so many time I had wing nuts on all the spots!:) I need to go out and fire mine up! Just to see it the $600 starter repairs, cables and battery are still good! I dont have to take my pan off for the starter, but did drop the pan and clean it and it was in the summer so it wasn't frozen but packed with dirt too! Not a fun job! We need pictures too! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 3:50pm
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Welcome to the world of bulldozer repairs... a lot of the repairs are far from enjoyable. I'm sure your starter is an MT40 and if you put in a good one you'll likely never have to work on it again. I had one of these starters on a Detroit 8V92, I don't know how long it had been in there before I bought the truck but I had the truck for 17 years... my "bread 'n butter truck" and often started it many times a day. I never had to pull the starter in all that time and then I sold the truck... there's a quality Delco starter for you. It is important to have good cables, connections and batteries so that it's not having to be starved for current. Please let us know when your machine is all back together again. ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 5:22pm
| Be grateful were space saver head bolts, the originals would have been 15/16" hex and a royal bear to get a wrench on. |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:34am
Wow, that would have been a pain. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
DMiller wrote:Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 1:39pm
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M42 replacement - a wobble head socket and long extension - been there many times before i replaced the starter with new type with solonoid . I seem to remember bolt heads being 3/4" (1/2" bolts) and those new style bolts that look star shaped only being used on much later applications in heavy truck use. Seems if this is first time you have had belly pan off then changing oil has not been a regular occurance as when the small trap door on belly pan is removed the dirt level is easily noticed . Then I pressure washed my machine a couple times a month or more often and removed the excess dirt that accumulated . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 2:38pm
Taking off my belly pan this spring. its packed under there for sure. The access plate for the oil changes was clear so no problem changing oil on my 16. Just ran out of time this year to dump the pan. Anyone have any pics to show of when you did your particular tractor please share. I now we would all like to see them. ------------- HD16DC, Bobcat 863 Turbo, Oliver 1855, John Deere 855, |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 2:49pm
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best way. pull onto something solid. use a floor jack and pump up tight, remove bolts and get out of the way lol belly pan that is ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 4:47pm
Exactly what my plan is Cal. ------------- HD16DC, Bobcat 863 Turbo, Oliver 1855, John Deere 855, |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 6:05pm
Off color sorry.    ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 6:42pm
| Need to rehab the one on my 7G, been nose mangled a few too many times and difficult to get back up as does not align well anymore. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2019 at 8:38pm
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After having trash and oil catch on fire my uncle became a big believer of washing his dozers down. This was back in the 50's with his HD 14c. But the same process for the HD21 and the FD 30.He would use a 200 gallon water trough with gas engine pump,1 1/2 hose and a 1/4 inch nozzle on it. Volume as well as good pressure. In his early years mostly clearing brush to make farm land. So some fishing of big sticks,but the leaves and dirt move with volume. Generally did not remove belly pan to clean them up,just the little plate you remove for oil changes.
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Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 2:01pm
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Thank you for shsrythe great belly pan pics. ------------- HD16DC, Bobcat 863 Turbo, Oliver 1855, John Deere 855, |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 4:36pm
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thats the thing if you clean on regular basis - the debris will wash out at end near cross brace . Have done it on regular basis many years as it seems working on some part of machine is always needed ans sure nice not to have to fight grease and dirt . Have used a sheet of plywood and floor jack a few times also in the center of sand pile to take pan off also - ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |