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Topic: Rustoleum Allis Chalmers orange
Posted By: ACinSC
Subject: Rustoleum Allis Chalmers orange
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 12:31pm
Bought a couple cans of this at TSC . Looks good to me but I wonder if it's PO 1 or 2 or none of the above ? Can't find it on the rustoleum website . Thanks



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Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 12:52pm
Sent a email to Rust-Oleums customer service asking if Persian 1, 2, Corporate, or other Orange.  Will update when and if I get response.

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 1:06pm
Really doubt if it is PO1... Most oranges are NOT.... Very common to say ALLIS = Corporate Orange........ but possibly PO2.

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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 1:28pm
I went thru that also.  I am looking for my notes but recall there was no P.O.#1 from Rustoleum.  They had two orange versions.  One I considered Corp Orange and the other matched nothing.  I had talked to them and they did tell me what pigment to add to attempt a P.O.#1...I just went back to using Krylon which I think will be as close as one can get with an off the shelf product.  I did have a Rustoleum quart from the 60's that we used at that time that was as good as it got....I will check further for my notes and put it with my computer notes so I know what it is aslo....Dale


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 2:28pm
I should have said this is spray paint . Sorry


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 2:33pm
That is what I am checking on.

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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 4:14pm
Well they replied back soon enough, but not much help. E J you'll have to give us your ever so humble opinion.
I tried.
 


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1938 B, 79 Dynamark 11/36 6spd, 95 Weed-Eater 16hp


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 6:41pm
I'll see how it compares to our Diesel D 15 . It's got good paint . Looks like Chevy orange to me . Thanks


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 6:56pm
Plastikote #200 Chevy Orange is pretty darn close to Dupont Nason PO1 which I use on my Tractors. The Dupont is pretty durable, and the #200 Plastikote is darn near a direct hit for the touchup! These paints have a little more depth and gloss than the original PO1.
Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'IB, 49'G, 50'WF, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 7:18pm
plastikote at Amazon
 
https://www.amazon.com/PlastiKote-200-Chevrolet-Orange-Engine-x/dp/B000CPC5O2" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/PlastiKote-200-Chevrolet-Orange-Engine-x/dp/B000CPC5O2


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Posted By: JC(WI)
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 9:10pm
COPY AND PASTE Steve's link into your browser address bar or else that stinking insidious corrupt VIGI-LINK on here will hi-jack it.

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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 6:33am
Thanks for all the help . Whatever orange this is it's way better than the rusty faded paint that's on my old D 15 . I just wanna paint some smaller pieces after I get them off and cleaned up .


Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 6:53am
Rustoleum Industrial Orange used to be very close to the early AC orange


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 9:12am
Here is the same Plastikote product much less expensive. Shipping is quite high, but if you are buying a quantity, shipping becomes a lot more reasonable.

https://www.aceautopaintsupplies.com/plastikote-engine-enamel-spray-paint-chevrolet-orange-pla-200-ea.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.aceautopaintsupplies.com/plastikote-engine-enamel-spray-paint-chevrolet-orange-pla-200-ea.html




Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 9:20am
Still have a number of Huskvarna (s) orange spray cans from a couple of years ago. Tried it on some D-Series parts of tractors still in use, seems to fade in nicely for matching existing (original) PO2 and seems to be a workable match as it fades into something between PO1 and PO2.
Will post the brand of those spray cans when I get out to the shop.


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 12:12am
Got a Farm & Fleet store near you?  $4.69  Yes, it's Chebby Orange
https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/369452-dupli-color-engine-enamel-with-ceramic.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/369452-dupli-color-engine-enamel-with-ceramic.html


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19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 4:19am
No Farm and Fleet stores this far south . TSC is all we have except tractor dealership . Thanks


Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 7:31am
Try your local parts store like NAPA they carry Dupli-Color # DE 1607. My store has it on hand for $6.99 + shipping. 

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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.



Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 7:35am
Thanks Don . I'll see what our Napa store has the next time I'm there


Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 7:56am
TSC has PO#1 and #2.  They look pretty good.  I've used them for touch up.

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Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 7:57am
Oh, wait, I mean Orscheln's has PO#1 and #2 not TSC.  If it is not in, they've ordered it for us in the past.

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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 8:33am
Sounds like another store that's not around here . Thanks anyway


Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 3:21pm
It is Van Sickle paint, which I believe is a name brand paint.  Perhaps you could do a google search and find some place that sells it.  Dave

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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mark Twain.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 4:34pm
My son says the rustoleum orange doesn't quite match the repaint on the diesel D 15 . I'm calling it close enough . Thanks


Posted By: GreenOrange
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 5:35pm
Rustoleum A-C orange is corporate orange. I’m sure there’s a little color variations to the production lots, but definitely corporate orange. They have other shades closer to the Persians. I’m not a huge fan of their paint, but it’s ok in some applications.


Posted By: CTD03
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2018 at 9:40pm
I painted 190xt with rustoleum. Files to large to upload.
Color is def off

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1961 D17,1968 190xt


Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 4:48am
I got a couple of rattle cans of that stuff on the shelf.  It seems to almost be a dead ringer for what is spose to be PO 2 on my restored D 15.

Good enough for spotting places like draw bar scuffs,linkages and stuff like that.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2019 at 6:35am
dangnabbit, Once you get the tractor back into the field and into it's 'working clothes' no one can tell it's 'offcolour'.....Wink
Jay



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Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 11:08am
As luck would have it, I find myself in the position of wanting to clean up and paint some rusty, dirty, greasy old parts for the D15.......did an internet and lo and behold, it pointed me here.

So it looks like I will be searching some local auto parts stores for the Plasticote #200 chevy orange paint.........what I am wondering is if anyone uses a primer too? If so, which one?

BTW, my plan for cleanup is to....

a. hit em with a powerwasher to bust all the heavy crud off....
b. hit what is left with a wire brush to get the light crud and rust off....
c. soak oily stuff in bucket with purple power engine degreaser....
d. soak what is left of rusty stuff in evaporust to get it back to bare metal.....

then prime and paint. BTW, while most of these parts probably left West Allis looking orange, that was a long time ago. Not much hint of orange on them these days.

Or should I be doing something else..........???


Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 11:11am
PS: If I can get away with it, I intend to use rattle cans. I don't have a sprayer......and in any event, painting is one of my least favorite things to do.......right after root canals.....poke in the eye with sharp stick.....and worse.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 1:26pm
On my old crusty D 15 I used a scotchbrite ? pad on my drill . Works pretty well . Think I bought it at home Depot . Also just put a new 3 point hitch on . Mine is a snap coupler though . Haven't tried it yet but it looks pretty robust Thanks


Posted By: RAR45110
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 2:46pm
I bought a D12 from an ex Allis Chalmers employee who reportedly painted it PO#2 instead of PO#1 like it was supposed to be.  He did this because he had the PO #2 paint.  Anyway, I used the rattle can Rustoleum from Home Depot to paint the PTO pulley and it is difficult if not impossible to see the difference.  I ordered rattle can PO#1 for my B that I am restoring.

Bob 


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1938 B, 1938 B, 1959 D10, 1959 D12


Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 3:05pm
Hmmmm.........I've been told the paint color a D15 left West Allis wearing was PO 2.

Is there a general consensus as to which is the correct color?

BTW, I have the color chips for Van Sickle rattle can enamel paints from Orschlens and it includes 3 different AC orange paints (PO 1, PO 2 and Corporate Orange), plus one for Kubota, which is in the same ballpark.




Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 3:10pm
[QUOTE=ACinSC]On my old crusty D 15 I used a scotchbrite ? pad on my drill . Works pretty well . Think I bought it at home Depot . Also just put a new 3 point hitch on . Mine is a snap coupler though . Haven't tried it yet but it looks pretty robust Thanks[/QUOTE]

Where did you get the new 3 point hitch?

Can you share a photo?

If you would prefer, I have a different thread for the D15 3 point hitch replacement. That might be a better place for the comments and photo.




Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 5:27pm
Got it from Jim at OK tractor . Dunno how to post a pic . Sorry


Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by ACinSC ACinSC wrote:

Got it from Jim at OK tractor . Dunno how to post a pic . Sorry


Does it resemble this? This was on OK Tractor website and was made by Cross Manufacturing in MO. It is one I'm looking at.

Seems to me it should have the same functional use as a factory 3 point.....but is stronger.




Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 5:42pm
No , it's the wishbone? that slides in the snap coupler with the lift arms . It is a Cross .


Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 7:02pm

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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.



Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 9:09pm
Auto paint store near me will mix PPG 60080 and put it in a spray can for around $8.00, just sayin'.....


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1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2019 at 6:45am
For a primer, I use Plastikotes sandable Enamel primer. Nothin' trick. Covers great, lays down nice and you can sand it if you dust enough coats on it. The Chebby Orange sticks right to it and stays quite durable. If you want to get real fancy, they make a clear that you can lay over the 200 Orange. Gives it some depth. Its whatever you want to do.. HTH
mailto:Steve@B&B" rel="nofollow - Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'IB, 49'G, 50'WF, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2019 at 2:57pm
As for cleaning the oily greasy parts, I have used Easy Off Oven cleaner from the dollar store.  Cleans all the crap off with minimal work.  Paints over real well, and I have not noticed any issues with anything I have painted.


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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2019 at 10:19pm
I went looking for some PlastiKote 200 and everyone is out.  There were a number of places that HAD it, but they were all out so I sent an email to Valspar.......


My question as sent to Valspar;
I am having a hard time finding any of the following:PlastiKote 200 Chevrolet Orange Engine Enamel, 12 oz.
I live in La Crosse, WI and need to find some of this. CarID.com used to carry it, but they don't have any. Have you discontinued it?
Thanks, Ted

Their response;

Ted,
    Thank you for contacting Valspar.  We appreciate your frustration at not being able to locate one of our products.  This product is no longer available.  We would suggest that you look at an online retailer such as Amazon.com or Walmart.com to see if they have any product in inventory.  We would also suggest that you look at the Duplicolor (prod. #DE1607) or VHT (prod. #SP119) aerosol paints to see if there is a good crossover product as well.

We appreciate your inquiry.

Best Regards,
Lisa Friberg
Product Support


SO,,,,,,,,I'm guessing we have to go look at Duplicolor (prod. #DE1607) or VHT (prod. #SP119) or go to PPG or like I will do, go to https://www.amacservicesinc.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.amacservicesinc.com/
His handle on here is amac    his name is Merlin Boshart and he has EXCELLENT PO1, I've used it.  He'll put it into spray cans for you.  GREAT!!!  I did some touch up on my C a number of years ago and you still can't see any fading.  Go to the site and contact him.  While you're there, look over some of his work.


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 3:57pm
Dadgum Rust-Oleum nozzle just stopped up in the middle of my D 15 breather cup spray . Never had that happen before . Luckily I have a new can and that nozzle finished the job . The humidity is 53% here in my shop . Maybe that caused it ?


Posted By: chaskaduo
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 4:48pm
You shook it to hard.

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Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 5:40pm
Maybe so .


Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by modirt modirt wrote:

Hmmmm.........I've been told the paint color a D15 left West Allis wearing was PO 2.

Is there a general consensus as to which is the correct color?

BTW, I have the color chips for Van Sickle rattle can enamel paints from Orschlens and it includes 3 different AC orange paints (PO 1, PO 2 and Corporate Orange), plus one for Kubota, which is in the same ballpark.




Never got an answer to my D15 paint color question.....I can now understand why. Its complicated.

But......just found this.

https://stores.djstractorparts.com/allis-chalmers-paint-guide/" rel="nofollow - https://stores.djstractorparts.com/allis-chalmers-paint-guide/

I followed advice given and used PO2.




Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2019 at 8:27pm
I've have been told that Krylon is a product of Sherman Williams.

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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 12:03am
I have almost NO experience painting farm equipment, but a small amount painting other stuff.

Perhaps someone with more experience than me can address this better, but it seems to me what gets lost in the shuffle with all this talk of paints is the paint chemistry. The Van Sickle paints are alkyd (oil based) enamels. Most of the other rattle cans are water based acrylics......and some being mentioned I think are water based urethane or polyurethane auto paints.....and use epoxy primers and such. Not all of these are compatible with each other......leading to blistering, peeling, etc.

The main reason I've shied away from painting is the level of prep work required for a good job, PLUS when I've attempted to dig into what is compatible with what, directions usually default to "follow manufacturers recommendations". That is when I hit a brick wall. I find these to be impossible to follow or understand.


Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 3:48am
Like a lot of other things we do, often we over complicate things. Just have one of the parts stores mix the color and put it the spray cans WITH HARDENER and go to town.
Remember keep it simple.






Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2019 at 3:49am
Do any of our site sponsors have the correct paint we need?

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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 1:36pm
I don't believe so, but one of our members MAKES the paints.  PERFECT paint as I can attest to.  Which reminds me, I need to get some more for touch up...PO1.

his handle on here is amac his name is Merlin Boshart.  He's in Kalona, Iowa.


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: Ted in NE-OH
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2019 at 10:17pm
I used a can of Rustoleum New Holland yellow to paint a tractor and wish I had used an automotive paint. Gasolene spilled on the Rustoleun takes the shine away.

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Posted By: SEIA Farmer
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2019 at 9:28pm
I painted some saddletank brackets the other day with Rustoleum Implement paint, and they really turned out nice...even though they were green!  They were sand blasted down to bare metal, and then primed with the Rustoleum primer.  I also put a little hardener in the paint before spraying them, and they've got a nice gloss to them.
  We got a WC resto project going on, and I've got my own sprayer, so I'd like to use their paint on it, but don't know what numbers to mix to get PO1 shade of paint.  Anybody know what the formula is for PO1 Rustoleum Implement Enamel?  You can get this paint mixed at Menards for $26.97/gal...and it's 11% off this week!  IMO it's good paint with a price that's hard to beat.  Anybody have better paint suggestions?


Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 2:21pm
I flipped up the hood on the 1973 Allis 160. The paint on the fuel tank is covered by the hood and looks way different than the rest of the tractor. It is original paint, but I don't know how much the color has changed over the years.

So I just painted a piece of tape with Rustoleum Farm Equipment paint. Allis Chalmers orange #7458830. I placed the painted tape in the area of protected paint, took a picture. Picture taken in the shop, doors are open, no flash. The right side of the picture is the end of the tank, near your knees. This is exposed. it looks to me the exposed paint has faded darker and "dingier". We talk about cheap aftermarket paint fading to pink. There is no pink here. Also I "waxed" it all with WD40 to give the old paint some temporary gloss.




Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 2:46pm
Just bought a can of Rust-Oleum Allis Chalmers orange at TSC today . Only had 2 cans . They had 6 Kubota orange . My can says #280135 . Cost $8.99 .


Posted By: SEIA Farmer
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 8:42am
So this would be the shade of Persian Orange 2, correct?  My '37 WC project should be PO 1, which I'd like to get the Rustoleum number for.


Posted By: ACinSC
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 10:14am
Not sure what shade of orange this is . Looks good to me !


Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 1:13pm
Yes, 1972 should be PO#2. But some say the Rustoleum spray is Corporate Orange.

My intent was just to show the relative color difference of 46 year old original paint to the Rustoleum spray can paint.
Cans of Tisco paint states PO1 or PO2 on the can.

I think the paint industry is a little dodgy.








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