Tractor from Canada to US
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Topic: Tractor from Canada to US
Posted By: farminharmon
Subject: Tractor from Canada to US
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 7:02pm
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Anybody know what it takes to get a tractor across the border from Canada to the US. Looking at one about an hour north of Buffalo. Thanks. ------------- B110 CA D10II (2)D12III 5040 5050 6080 170 JD5205 Kubota M9000 Kubota M95S |
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 7:48pm
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A truck, a trailer and a passport. Make sure the owner washes any dirt off of it. Bill of Sale would be nice, but I was never asked for one. Make sure it is in your name so as to not have problems proving you are not hauling it for someone else. That would require duties, etc.
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Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 7:51pm
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Contact a customs broker and they can get you fixed up. We move ag equipment north and south all the time, and a invoice from the seller is about all the broker needs usually. They handle all the declarations. Best to get in touch in advance to verify that you have what you need. Good luck. ------------- |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 8:16pm
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Kinda on this topic....has anyone ever had problems crossing the border with their tractor, since these old ones have no ownerships? Just thinking for when I get my all finished and want to go to shows with it.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 9:15pm
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I like in northern NY state about 5 miles from Quebec and about 15 miles from Ontario. I have imported MANY tractors from Canada. All I ever have is a bill of sale from the seller. If it is made in Canada or USA, there is no duty or no charge of any kind. If you are importing it for yourself, YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE A BROKER!!! I have never been asked to go inside or for any other paperwork. On a different note, we often take tractors across the border to (antique) tractor pulls. If you are doing this, you need to stop at US Customs and register your tractor (like any other valuable items you are taking to Canada). This will speed up re-entry. Once you register your tractor, keep the paperwork and it is good forever (as long as you have the paper).
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Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 9:19pm
| Thanks for the info WF Owner |
Posted By: farminharmon
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 9:56pm
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Thanks for the info. ------------- B110 CA D10II (2)D12III 5040 5050 6080 170 JD5205 Kubota M9000 Kubota M95S |
Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 7:18am
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anything over $2500 value must need a broker paper work to cross the border! ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 9:29am
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No broker !!!’ Just a bill of sale. As long as it’s your tractor. ------------- remember plunder than burn |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 9:50am
Is that 2500 U$ or Canuck? I've only brought three across, CA to US, Michigan, but I have never been asked for a BofS or any other paperwork. I brought out a fake BofS at one stop because the kid was curious to know what I paid for it. There were also 3 other kid guards that jumped up on the trailer to check it out. They were interested in the tractor not looking for any contraband. Actually, it was quite comical! It was a D12 and I think it was $2500. I've never had them look that I know of, but supposedly you cannot bring anything across with any dirt or weeds on it. Not grease and grime, but actual soil! A gent from CA that used to be on here, Icky was his handle I think, bought a lot of stuff here in the US and he was really paranoid about it, so maybe it's more so going into CA rather than coming into the US. They weren't interested in how stuff was tied down, nor a DOT number. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
WD45Diesel57 wrote:Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 10:37am
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I have never done it yet, but I had plans a couple of times, so I can't say. I did a little checking and found this. At least it gives you a phone # to call. https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/452/kw/importing%20farm%20tractor%20equipment/session/L3RpbWUvMTU0NTY2ODIyMS9zaWQvV21vdzc1M28%3D" rel="nofollow - https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/452/kw/importing%20farm%20tractor%20equipment/session/L3RpbWUvMTU0NTY2ODIyMS9zaWQvV21vdzc1M28%3D Hope this helps. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 10:47am
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Here's a better one!!! https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/kw/antique%20tractor%20import" rel="nofollow - https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/kw/antique%20tractor%20import Just have to search for the right topic..... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 10:58am
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OK, I'm curious like my cat as I'm an 'hour nroth of Buffalo'.... where you heading and what ya buying ?? Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 12:35pm
Jay, An hour north of Buffalo would be Toronto with a fast boat!!  ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2018 at 12:49pm
Not if it's for your own use. If you are in the farm equipment business and buying a tractor to resell, you must go through a broker. If it's for your own use, no broker is required. If you have any doubts, call the customs where you plan to cross and ask. Make sure to get the inspector's name. If the tractor is built anywhere other than the US or Canada (and many late model tractors are built in other countries), it's a whole different deal.
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Posted By: farminharmon
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 5:36pm
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What about getting into and out of Canada without a passport? ------------- B110 CA D10II (2)D12III 5040 5050 6080 170 JD5205 Kubota M9000 Kubota M95S |
Posted By: old farmer
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 6:29pm
| Some states have what they call an enhanced driver license that allows you to use as a passport to get to Canada and Mexico. At least that’s what I’ve been told. In the next couple of months you will need something added to driver license to be able to fly. Daughter was telling about it as she flies for her job. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 10:03pm
The correct answer is that you need a passport, passport card or enhanced driver's license to cross in to Canada and back. HOWEVER, the real answer is Canada Customs will accept any government issued photo ID with proof of citizenship (like a birth certificate). Once you are in Canada and returning to the US, American Customs can not deny an American citizen re-entry into the US. If it happens often, the person without proper documentation will probably be detained, but they will ultimately be allowed re-entry. Canada Customs can / will deny you entry into Canada for a variety of reasons. If you have been convicted of a crime (misdemeanor or felony), you will most likely be denied entry. There are several other reasons that they can deny you entry. Since we live so close to the border, and I actually have a daughter that married a Canadian and lives in Canada, I (we) cross very often. Many of the US Customs and Canada Customs officers are personal friends of mine and my daughter's family. We have asked about people who live away from the border and that (above) is what they told us ("unofficially" of course). The best way to do it is to apply for a passport, passport card (which I, personally, find much easier to carry and much less expensive than a regular passport, but is only good for entry by land to Canada or Mexico and not good for flying), or an enhanced license. I just renewed my passport and passport card. They both took about 3 weeks, but with the federal government shutdown, I assume that will take much longer now.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2018 at 10:06pm
| An addition to the above post. If you have ever been convicted of DWI, DWAI or DUI, you will probably be denied entry into Canada. |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 7:23am
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You can also get a Nexus card. I think they are $50.00 but you have to sit through a presentation to get it. My wife and kids had those but now they just got passports when the Nexus expired. They are easier. And a passport gives you the least amount of hassle getting across. Some customs officers don't even like the enhanced drivers licences. Big thing to remember is customs is just like the MTO we have to deal with in trucking. It doesn't matter what the laws are, it's how each individual officer wants to interpret their own version of the law, what mood they are in at the moment, if they're on a power trip, etc. LOL. So may times I cross the border and get attacked like I am a criminal, then a day or two later get the same officer and they are nice as pie. LOL
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Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 7:24am
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i had a buddy buy a 7010 from me up here for his own use and got nailed at border for not having the correct paper work before bringing it across, he was a good 4 hours at the border filling out papers ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 8:51am
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Here's a link, for an article in our local newspaper today, about crossing the border after a DWI / DUI conviction. http://www.mymalonetelegram.com/mtg01/canada-imposes-stricter-dwi-penalties-at-border-20181228" rel="nofollow - http://www.mymalonetelegram.com/mtg01/canada-imposes-stricter-dwi-penalties-at-border-20181228
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2018 at 8:30pm
I wrote to the U.S. Customs and Border ProtectionHi, I am thinking about buying an antique Allis-Chalmers tractor from a farmer in Ontario. It is a 1948 Allis-Chalmers model CA. What will I need to bring it back to the US? Do I also need a passport? I have the new Wisconsin drivers license. I will be pulling MY trailer up there to pick up the tractor. Anything else you can think of? Thank you very much, Ted Here is the response that I got: Responses: Response CBP Officer 12/27/2018 04:53 PMDear Ted,
Thank you for contacting the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Information Center.
The 1st link below explains the basic import procedures, and the tractor is duty free if it was made in the US or Canada. You should do the paperwork at the border when you first re-enter the US. Canadian customs allows
adult US citizens to enter their country by land or sea with a current
government issued photo ID, such as a regular driver's license, and a US
birth or naturalization certificate or expired US passport, but you may
be delayed for a short time when you return to the US if you do not
have a current US passport, passport card, or other approved ID. For
future trips if you want to travel before you can get an approved ID the
best way to make sure you do not have any problems is to apply for one
and carry a copy of the receipt.
Please reply to this email if you have other questions. Thank you again for contacting our office. Mark
Answer Link: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278" rel="nofollow -
Answer Link: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/3618" rel="nofollow -
Enhanced Drivers Licenses: What Are They?
http://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they" rel="nofollow -
Canadian customs (CBSA):
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/menu-eng.html" rel="nofollow - NOTE: The answers provided in this forum are for general information purposes only. Utilizing this forum does not constitute reasonable care under the Informed Compliance guidelines. The Information Center is open Monday through Friday from 8:30 a.m. until 4:00 p.m., Eastern Time. We are closed on Federal holidays. Our toll free line within the United States is (877) 227-5511. International callers can reach us during our hours of operation by dialing 00+1+202-325-8000. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Hope this helps....... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 8:46am
------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 9:46am
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I'd use 2x as many chains/binders/straps as you think you need. make them 'pretty' and secure. Check air pressure in tires, cleanout any storage places, remove seat if not secure. now, go over tractor again...just to be 100% certain it's fit to go. Now head to carwash and clean the tractor and trailer...could be the best $10 ever spent, shows you're serious about a 'no hassle' crossing. If you don't get to cross, it can stay here with me  I never,ever should have sold the CA I had, sniff,sniff.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 5:29pm
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I agree with Jay about the chains and binders. On the way home from one of my trips to get a tractor, near Toronto, I had the opportunity to speak to one of Ontario's finest about one of my chains that he saw moving when he was following me. It really wasn't very loose, but he saw some movement when I hit a bump. He was a very nice guy and allowed me to tighten the one (of four) that was loose on the WF I had on. We had a nice chat. He was pleased that all of my lights worked, my truck and trailer were in good shape and the tractor was bound down with four chains and binders. I think he was intrigued that I am a judge and collect tractors. Out of state/province tags seem to be a magnet for LEO's everywhere!
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Posted By: Reindeer
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 6:56pm
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One other thing that will cause you problems entering Canada are guns. Doesn't matter what permit you have for your state. They have to be declared at the border, and if they can be concealed (pistol) you should not try to bring them into Canada as they require you and the gun to be permitted here. Lots of folks get in grief because they have one under the seat that they forget about, and then have problems with customs. Leave them at home, and avoid the drama. ------------- |
Posted By: 1955CA
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2018 at 11:53pm
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Ya guys, don't bring your guns. They will make your life miserable. And as a trucker I can say.....make sure your chains or straps have the WLL (working load limit) tags or markings in chains.....make sure they are visible. MTO (our version of DOT) often sit at the borders. And if the WLL is not clearly visible that chain or strap is considered the same as not having one at all. You can have 50 chains on but if no markings you will get charged with insecure load. And in Ontario they have been on a big kick this last summer stopping people for safeties on your trailer and an annual inspection sticker on you're truck if your registered gross is over 4500 KG (9920 pounds) http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/commercial-vehicle-safety-requirements.shtml" rel="nofollow - http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/commercial-vehicle-safety-requirements.shtml They were fining everyone around here all last summer with horse trailers, car haulers, enclosed trailers. The only ones they were leaving alone were single axle atv trailers and RV's. And anything over an F250/2500 pickup they were checking for annual inspection stickers.
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