need to use screwdriver to start d-19
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Topic: need to use screwdriver to start d-19
Posted By: snag
Subject: need to use screwdriver to start d-19
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 6:43am
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So, i got my second starter in and this one was good on the bench test. Got it in and hit the key , nothing. so tried the jump the selinoid with a screwdriver trick and it would turn over. Does this mean my selinoid is bad?? Thanks Mike
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Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 7:21am
| It could be a bad starter switch, a broken wire, bad ground on the solenoid, or bad solenoid. Did you jump cable to cable, or battery cable terminal to the small terminal on the solenoid? Cable to cable bypasses the solenoid. Battery to small terminal energizes the solenoid and if that worked the solenoid is likely ok. See if you have power to the start terminal of the solenoid when you turn the key, or push the button. If you have power check the solenoid ground but the solenoid is likely bad. If no power work backwards from the solenoid to the switch to find out where the power stops. |
Posted By: snag
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 8:07am
| Will do tonight, thanks Jim |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 8:08am
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Is the tractor gas or Diesel? ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: snag
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 12:25pm
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its a gasser so the selinoid needs to be grounded to the tractor? |
Posted By: snag
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 12:26pm
| Jim i went cable to cable |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 12:51pm
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the small wire is suppose to have 12 volts when you push the START button ( or key).. That pulls in the solenoid and makes contact between the TWO BIG WIRES.. another test is to couch the battery cable (BIG) to the small cable and see if the 12 v on the small wire will pull in the solenoid... if YES, then your key / wire / etc is bad... if NO, then solenoid is probably bad........ if you have only 1 small wire, then it is the 12 v and the solenoid case is grounded.. If you have two small wires, then it has its own external ground wire. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 1:10pm
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re: If you have two small wires, then it has its own external ground wire. there is another possibility.... on old Ford starter solenoids( think '67 mustangs...) the 2nd small lug is actually full 12volts to the coil. it bypasses the 'resistance wire or 'ballast wire' aka ballast resistor ,allowing for a hotter spark. Once engine is running, power goes through ballast wire. and of course snow plow solenoids are yet another TWO versions of the 'black box with 4 studs..... sigh... Jay Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 5:45pm
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The original solenoid grounded through its base mounting. If it is a round one, often with a metal case, having a single small terminal that is the original type. Make sure the solenoid mounting has good clean contact with metal for ground. 12-volt power applied to the small terminal should energize the solenoid. As Steve mentioned jump between the battery cable and the small terminal. If it works then the problem is the wire between the solenoid and the switch, or the switch. The wiring diagram says the wire between the solenoid and switch is white (originally). If the solenoid has been changed to one that looks like an older Ford solenoid with two terminals, look closely beside the small terminals. Usually, near each terminal, there will be an “S” for start and an “I” or “R” for the resistor bypass terminal for starting. The bypass doesn’t need to be hooked up as it didn’t exist originally. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 6:26pm
This is the type solenoid you need for the latter ser# D19 gas tractors ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 8:38pm
| I'm not familiar with a D-19, but do you have to have the clutch depressed to start it? I've had the switch on the clutch pedal go bad on one of my 180's. Push the button and nothing. Bypassed the clutch switch and it started right up. |
Posted By: Jim.ME
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 9:12pm
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No switch on the clutch pedal. Don is correct on two different solenoids used. Prior to S/N 14742 the single small terminal # 0261441-0 was used. 14742 and up had the resistor bypass added and used solenoid 0241265-8 with two small terminals. The wiring diagram in the service manual only shows the early wiring without the bypass. The parts catalog does show both solenoids. Thanks for mentioning that Don. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 9:29pm
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I forgot to say that one of the two solenoids are not even sold by AGCO now and I don't remember if it the late ser. # or early ser. # solenoid.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 10:42pm
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D19 didn't have a safety switch on the clutch! Our diesel needed starting fluid every morning when it was new. I always started it from the ground. ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: snag
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2018 at 4:51am
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So that was it, i had a one wire selinoid and grounded it to the frame, and it now starts as it should. Thanks Much for all the help Mike
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