New to me WD
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Topic: New to me WD
Posted By: AC720Man
Subject: New to me WD
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:23pm
Picked this 1951 WD up this evening. New tires on rear, well they were 25 years ago...but have no dry rot. Which is also the last time she was run. Tank is dry, water in the radiator. Engine is free. Has rear wheel weights and unfortunately both rears are loaded. Right side has some rust around the valve stem, not sure how bad until I get the wheel off. It also sprung a leak at the stem as we was dragging it on the trailer and spewed CC on me and the trailer. Nasty stuff. Winter project that I probably didn’t need. Just hoping to get her running and hoping not to put to much into it. Was most likely heading to scrap yard and didn’t want to see that happen.   ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:27pm
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It came with the loader lift arms, mounts, hydraulic tank. I am removing those items if anyone is interested in them. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: garden_guy
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:42pm
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She looks to good to be scrapped (I mean -- they all do!); good job sir! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 7:18pm
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LOTS of caked on grease/oil and dust. Doesn't look too bad. That'll keep you out of mischief. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 8:08pm
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All the lights look good,tool box,fenders straight,good original old WD. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 8:48pm
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Good lookin straight WD,, lotsa good there stuff there,, wheel weights, good straight fenders,,, distibuter conversion,, Getr' runnin,, ought to be good rig... |
Posted By: Phil48ACWC
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:36am
| Very straight WD. I'd keep the hydraulic components. You may want to use them down the road. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:46am
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Other than the slight dent in the tank, the sheet metal is great. I'd clean it, and use it as is. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:35pm
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That’s my plan, get it running, clean it up, fix the right side rear wheel, fix some leaks, and rake hay with it. Old decals faded and the owner put those rectangle decals on it. Hoping they will come off with a heat gun. So with a fuel tank dry and clean, should I try starting it without pulling the carb first? If I take it apart that means a rebuild. I’m kinda feeling lucky. Definitely draining the oil and putting a filter on before I try to start it along with some new plugs. What plugs work best in these? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:09pm
| AC-45 always works best on the old ac's. for spark; |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 7:36am
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It's missing the hand crank, if anyone has one for sale pm me. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 4:59am
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Carb shouldn't need a rebuild unless it is full of gunk. Probably come apart just fine. I have a 45 carb you can use to test the motor out ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 7:42am
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Looks just like the stuff I drag home, only better! Looks complete and ready to rake hay next summer with a tune up. Glad you saved it! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 8:39pm
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Finally got to work on it a little bit monday. Picked up a new battery, new plugs, oil and filter. Unhooked the fuel line and poured some fuel in the tank. Allowed the fuel to flow in to a clear container. Not too much sediment flowed thru which made me happy. Repeated the process several times until no more sediment came thru. Of course the sediment bowl leaked, but as the cork soaked up some fuel it became less and less. Against my better judgement, I wanted to see if she would fire. After about 10 seconds of turning over she barked but failed to start. Fuel began coming out the throat of the carb. I knew then that the float was stuck and it would have to be cleaned. So that’s where I am at, carb is in the cleaner, and hopefully I can finish cleaning it tomorrow and start putting it back together. More to come... ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 8:57am
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AC720Man, If it tried to start it will run. Good job! Yea I always want to see if they will run too. Seems to justify us bringing them home! I did bring one home that was stuck and it took another engine to get that WD rolling. Your tractor looks good. I like it! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 9:02am
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AC720Man, Just a thought. (ok I am a wannabee body man) With the right curved 'pick' you might be able to gently work that dent out of the tank through the filler neck. Rest of the sheet metal looks pretty darn good for a non restored WD. A lot of them have such banged up, and rusted out, sheet metal due to a life of hard knocks. Dont ask me how I know! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 9:08pm
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Chris, I was thinking the same thing about the tank but unsure of what tool to try without putting small dents outward trying to get the dent out. We had a sleet/freezing rain event today so not sure when I will get back to working on it. She is still outside due to the leaking CC rear wheel fluid. Really want to get the carb back together and see if she will run. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 9:12pm
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I really hate that its outside as it was always stored under a slant roof building. Open to the sunlight but out of the rain. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 9:17pm
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By the way, the mount on the front end is not a weight bracket, it was a mount for a post driver that I really wish they still had. Just in case anyone was wondering. I need to build some fence and could have really used it. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 8:15am
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I was thinking puller weight bracket too. Post driver would have been nice tool. I have two setting out under 6 inches of snow, dont like that either! Maybe a curved tool with a flat face might pull that dent? Those rear rims are always a fun job. After doing a couple myself, there is no shortcuts or easy ways. I have the tire removed, sand blast the rim, and begin the repairs around the hole or rust areas. Most of the time you will need a donor rim for pieces. although I did a pair with small formed steel shapes. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 5:35pm
| Front mount post driver is a handy deal. Have one for my 560. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 9:59pm
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The mount has a 3” pipe between the frame. I’m guessing it hinged on it. Not sure what brand it would have been. Wish I had it, the WD is already set up for it. Hydraulic tank and hose is still on it. Anyone have any idea of the brand, model number it may have been? I would like to find one. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 2:10pm
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Happy to report the ole gal runs. Doesn’t smoke at all which shocked me. Got a few things to do before she is earning her keep. Water pump leaks, will need a new one. Fuel shut off, bowl continues to leak after new gasket. Will replace. Repair the rear wheel and install new tube. Other wise very happy. Happy Thanksgiving! ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 2:39pm
| Wow! That was easy, congrats on getting her going. That makes me want to go back and try to buy that one I found a few months ago. It's still sitting in that same patch of weeds. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 8:08pm
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I was lucky since it was stored under a shed. That helped prevent damage from the elements even though it was an open building in the front. Hoping in the next few weeks to have the repairs done and have a moving tractor. Would like to have a hay ride with family at Christmas ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 8:23pm
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AC720Man, Great news that you got it running! I didnt have a doubt! Have fun on the hay ride! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 6:13pm
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A little update. Cleaned the carb, came out really well. Put a partial Zenith kit in it because it didn’t appear to be to worn. Mistake on my part. Need to get a complete Zenith kit for a 10981A carb. She starts up on partial choke now, no tuning of the mixture screw helps much. Good friend was hoping to have a Marval carb for me but came up empty. Can I buy a new carb? Of course I can, but that defeats the whole reason I was willing to save this WD from the chopping block...cost. Don’t want to put more in it than its worth. Good news is, water pump is working well and doesn’t leak as I had thought. She runs smooth and smoke free on partial choke. So, a new complete kit will be ordered tonight. Still happy at this point with the ole girl, found out this evening the last time she was run. April 4th, 2004. Oil change, new rear tires and she was parked shortly there after. Thankfully fuel had been drained. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: FloydKS
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 6:32pm
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Good to hear that things are going ?as planned? well, pretty close at least. enjoy working with the new steed. ------------- Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 11:27am
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Considering it's age that is not a bad looking WD. Brings back memories of when we delivered our first WD in 1948. As we were putting it in gear to drive off the truck the engine died. Embarrassingly we were out of gas - never happened to me again. Delighted to hear that you not only saved this unit and are getting it running again. The fact that you got it running easily shows again that, Allis Chalmers made them good. Take good care of another Allis Chalmers Icon. Also good to hear that it is not too far away. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 9:02pm
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Great news, Charlie my brother came by this morning to help me diagnose my WD. It will run smooth but only on partial choke. Younger eyes saw where one of the carb studs was hitting the lip of the manifold on the left side. As you may know there is not much room there. Although it appeared the carb was flush with the gasket, it wasn’t snug. After removing the carb again, an apparent backfire blew out the rear of a brand new gasket. I took my 4” grinder and widened the slot to allow a little more room. Previous owner at some point had removed the carb and put the studs in upside down. Long side up which did not allow enough clearance. Bought 2 new studs, a new gasket. New gasket was also thicker than the one I had got in a rebuild kit. Put it back together, pulled out the choke and she fired right up. Let off the choke, Smooth idle, smooth throughout the full range of throttle. Governor working as it should. Hard to believe that it was sucking that much air to cause such an issue. Very pleased at how its running now. Thanks Charlie for finding my issue. Thinner gasket from the rebuild kit caused a clearance issue due to the studs being installed upside down from the previous owner. Cheap fix. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 10:54pm
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Most of the time, troubling things with these old gals are generally pretty simple... ...just surprisingly well-hidden. My WD has a leaky sediment bowl/needle valve... and it's having an attitude dropping cylinders since I gave the carb a rebuild... it ran great... 'till the day one of the carb floats filled with gasoline... I probably have a vacuum leak too. Oh, and the seat needs fixed... and I gotta get a new quadrant on the steering column (for the lift)... and one lift cylinder's dripping... and 3rd gear is bad... (sigh)... but it's still goin. My OTHER WD/45ish project is Schwartz... which I haven't made any progress on in two years... gotta get that hydraulic steering setup done, live hydraulic pump system installed, and make it driveable... that'll motivate me to get all the other stuff done, right?  ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 7:37am
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Second set of eyes often finds things. Been there, done that.... ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 7:46am
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Interesting fix! Good for Charlie! I have a WD45 with a Marvel Schebler TSX 464 carb. It attaches to the manifold with two studs that are part of the carb. Same as shown in the parts catalog, though I've always thought it odd. The engine runs rough and I'm wondering if there may be an air leak there.........
Dave ------------- WC, CA, D14, WD45 |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2018 at 8:08am
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You can test for air leaks when it is running by spraying something like WD40 around the carb inlet or at the manifold to block connection (Not the exhaust ports). If it surges then you have an air leak. Suggest having a fire extinguisher nearby when doing this.... ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:47pm
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Got the WD running on my brothers WD45 carb this evening. The condenser failed so I had no spark until I replaced it this afternoon. She moves on her own, brakes work well, both clutches seam to be okay, all gears work. Ordered a complete carb rebuild kit for the Zenith carb yesterday. Hoping to resolve the carb issue in the next 2 weeks. Found a blown fuse so that’s why the lights are not working. At least until I make sure the wiring and other components are good. It looks like a fairly new wiring harness so I dont suspect that as a issue at the moment. Of course it has not been run since 2004, so maybe that’s when it may have been installed. A good friend repaired the damaged CC rear wheel. Damage wasn’t too bad. Will paint the wheels in the spring. Will give updates over the next few weeks. I’m happy with her so far. Need to get a padded seat, bare metal kinda hard on the rear end...mine, not the tractors. Lol ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2018 at 8:51pm
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I like the marvel carbs for some reason! But I have a Z on the 17 and it has worked very well too. I like t=hose softer seats also. Didn't seam to bother me as a kid?? Looks like you got a good one! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |