Allis 8070 vs White 185
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Topic: Allis 8070 vs White 185
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Subject: Allis 8070 vs White 185
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:43pm
How does an Allis 2WD out pull a White FWA?
Look at the total drawbar pull (max)
Does anyone have/had a White tractor to comment?
Allis 8070
Test Date: September 1 - 16, 1982
Type: Diesel 12-speed 2WD
PTO power (rated engine speed): 170.72 hp [127.3 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 10.7 gal/hour [40.5 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 171.44 hp [127.8 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 10.4 gal/hour [39.4 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 145.36 hp [108.4 kW]
Drawbar pull (max): 18,777 lbs [8517 kg]
Max pull gear: 2S
White 185
Test Date: April 5 - 18, 1988
Type: Diesel 18-speed 4WD
PTO power (rated engine speed): 187.55 hp [139.9 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 10.9 gal/hour [41.3 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 192.38 hp [143.5 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 11.1 gal/hour [42.0 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 163.56 hp [122.0 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 10.8 gal/hour [40.9 l/hour]
Drawbar pull (max): 18,318 lbs [8309 kg]
Max pull gear: 2-over
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Posted By: blue924.9
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 9:27pm
Likely slightly lower hearing in the allis.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 7:18am
The speed at which max drawbar pull was measured makes a big difference.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 7:21am
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Being tested on pavement takes a lot of the FWA advantage away. And what were the ballasted weights when tested? Most tractors test very close to tractor weight = drawbar pull, depending on speed/gearing like Lonn said.
In other words, if the Allis was heavier in Lbs./ HP ratio, and pulling slower speed, the numbers make sense.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 7:27am
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The 8070 weighed 22,370 lbs total with the rear wheels weighing 17,830 lbs. The White only weighed 18,770 with 10,935 on the rear tires. Cement surface doesn't mean an FWA will do better, especially when it weighs LESS. The truth is the White had almost 20 MORE drawbar HP at a higher ground speed. You've gotta know what you're looking at when it comes to these tests.
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2018 at 7:32am
same way the WC out pulled the UC in nebreska tests
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