Over 26,000 gooseneck
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Topic: Over 26,000 gooseneck
Posted By: 7060
Subject: Over 26,000 gooseneck
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 12:54pm
| I’m wanting to haul 14,000lbs from Missouri to Colorado every so often. Was wondering what might be needed to do it with my pickup instead of the semi. I have a cdl and med card. My truck is a 2011 Duramax single rear with 30,000lb beyond local plates. Trailer is a 30’ gooseneck with 2-10k axles. It weighs about 15k so that leaves another 15k on my plates. Is 30k really legal though? I plan on stopping at the weight scales since it would be over 26k, but how do you figure the gvwr of the combined? Do I still need a log book, dot#, and ifta? |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:27pm
| just cuz you are licenced for a high weight, you still are illegal if you exceed the GVW on the vehicle. check you door plate |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:29pm
| I licensed my 1/2 ton pickup one year for 32,000 lbs. it was for a conversation starter. the 32,000 lbs license was the same price as the 6000 lbs license...so why not? lol |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:44pm
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No wonder it's rainingShameless up at this time of the day |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:44pm
| My Ford Super Duty has 24k license as that is the LIMIT for the GVWR. I CAN haul a tandem gooseneck trailer with a track loader on it if I so choose but I won't as I do understand the trans, the frame and especially the brakes will not fare well thru the endeavor. Towed my 180 and a 3008 Bush Hog on the trailer, about ALL I would want to try to control. 1800# BH 7400# 180 with loader. With the trailer weight and the truck weight as well gear for a weekend I did scale it at 22560# |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 1:47pm
| Your largest issue is knowing the rules and trying to skirt them. The DOT will not bode well on that. If you are hauling commercially then you need to use Properly equipped, licensed and rated machinery. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 2:46pm
| I’m aware that the plates don’t make it legal. Here, local that is they don’t pay attention to the truck weight rating as long as your weight is under your plates. A lot of guys run 30k. I’m also not the type to avoid the scales or skirt the rules. I just wondered if they go by the door tag, or if it was an axle capacity thing like a semi? I’ve had some hotshot truckers tell me they’ve never been asked about the truck rating on the door and that’s more of a suggested manufacturer weight. It doesn’t refer to the gooseneck capacity since it’s not a factory option the door tag is the receiver hitch capacity. I just thought I would ask before I called the highway patrol on it. I just thought it would be a little more efficient than getting 6mpg in my semi with a 1/3 of a load. This will be my own farm related products. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:03pm
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On a 'commercial' machine HERE they go by Door ID, CO is the same as I spoke to my brother on this some months ago when he licensed his old pickup. If for any reason MoSHP DOT brown shirts decide to inspect a vehicle considered as Commercial the rules of GVWR apply. Your door tag as well the trailer GVWR tag are what is used. The been removed or just gone from age and they do have books to look up model type. This is off a 2017 GM 3500: https://www.tfltruck.com/2016/11/2017-chevy-silverado-2500-hd-3500-hd-dually-get-payload-towing-ratings/" rel="nofollow - https://www.tfltruck.com/2016/11/2017-chevy-silverado-2500-hd-3500-hd-dually-get-payload-towing-ratings/ The Fifth Wheel GVWR is listed as 14500. That is NOT payload but total Trailer and Load weight. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:46pm
| I found the combined weight rating or ”gvwr” on 2014 models. 24,500 for a single rear wheel and 30,500 for the dually. Which still isn’t cutting it for my truck I guess. I don’t want any questions so I guess I’ll stick with the semi. I was hoping to go this route instead of buying a step deck. Thanks for the information. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 3:48pm
 
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 4:08pm
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In New York state, the door tag means nothing (I was under the impression this was the case everywhere, since CMV is all federal rules). However, you can not exceed the tire rating (on the tire sidewall) in any case. All axle weights pertain to CMV rules. In pickups and other medium and light duty vehicles, tire weight ratings are the limiting factor. If you are transporting something commercially (for any kind of financial gain), you must carry a log book and conform to hours of operation. You are also required to stop at scales. I recently asked a friend of mine who works for the DOT Truck Enforcement what was considered "commercial". Specifically, I asked about hauling tractors. If you are hauling tractors to a tractor pull that has any kind of prizes, you are considered commercial, even if the only prizes are trophies. I also asked about RV's. If you are hauling to a show, the same applies. If you are hauling your own RV for pleasure, you are not commercial. However, if you are hauling it as part of your job, or hauling it for someone else for any kind of enumeration or reward, you are commercial.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 6:26pm
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I don't know your US DOT rules. Big thing is not to exceed your tire ratings. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 8:23pm
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Also make sure you have current DOT inspection stickers on both truck and trailer - anything over that 10,001 on trailer comes into play and tow vehicle needs current stickers ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2018 at 1:30pm
| Unless FARM registered and NOT commercial. |