200 popping out of third
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Topic: 200 popping out of third
Posted By: Red Bank
Subject: 200 popping out of third
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 9:07pm
As mentioned in my other post I bought two 200s this spring. One will pop out of third going up hill and tonight the other one popped out going down hill with a 273 square baler hooked to it. What is the fix for this?
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 9:57pm
Might try moving shift rail detent if lever will go past detent. MACK
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Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 10:52pm
they were good for that' had one we had to put a strap on it to hold it in gear;
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Posted By: 45 turboa-
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 9:06am
Don't put a strap or bungie cord to hold them in gear all that doe's is wear the fork out have someone move the notch on the shifting rail. I have done that on many A-C trans. covers !
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Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 1:40pm
Does the top cover come off transmission and the shifter fiorks accessible that way?
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 2:03pm
Red Bank wrote:
Does the top cover come off transmission and the shifter fiorks accessible that way? |
yes,I think there is 2 special bolts in cover for locating plate...pay attention. Don't remember if there is a certain gear you should put it in to make easier to remove/install.If so it's usually 2nd?
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 9:28pm
The proper fix is a complete teardown and rebuilding of the transmission. Around $1500 worth of parts (not including labor). Anything else is just a band aid.
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Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 11:17pm
So it's usually a gear or bearing problem and not a shifter fork problem?
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 5:58am
All of the above, DSeries4 is right
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 6:52am
Red Bank wrote:
So it's usually a gear or bearing problem and not a shifter fork problem? |
Actually, it's an operator problem. If a guy was to push the clutch in while in any gear, stop the rear wheels from turning and shift, it will never start popping out of gear. ANY grinding while shifting isn't the gears, they are meshed all the time. What is grinding away is the spline on the hub of the gear and the collar you are sliding over it. Once they are rounded off to the point of popping out of gear, the sure fix is replacing the collar and the gear, to get new full contact area.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 7:05am
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
Red Bank wrote:
So it's usually a gear or bearing problem and not a shifter fork problem? |
Actually, it's an operator problem. If a guy was to push the clutch in while in any gear, stop the rear wheels from turning and shift, it will never start popping out of gear. ANY grinding while shifting isn't the gears, they are meshed all the time. What is grinding away is the spline on the hub of the gear and the collar you are sliding over it. Once they are rounded off to the point of popping out of gear, the sure fix is replacing the collar and the gear, to get new full contact area.
| Yes and no, eventually bearing slop from wear will cause them to pop out. Of course changing the transmission oil as recommended can greatly increase bearing life along with keeping contaminates out of the oil such as dirt and water. I've seen many a poor old tractor filled with what looks like chocolate malt in the transmission and hydraulics.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 7:33am
Send me your shift cover and I'll work it over. If it still jumps out of gear, you need gears bearings and shift couplings.
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Posted By: Red Bank
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 1:21pm
Thank you for the offer DrAllis I will send it but it may be a while I still need to bale hay with it and then I can tear it down and send it to you.
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 16 May 2018 at 4:29pm
The Dr knows his stuff , id do that before a complete tear down
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