Invasive brush problem
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Topic: Invasive brush problem
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Subject: Invasive brush problem
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 1:24pm
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A good friend of mine has 80 acres in the western part of the state he let's me hunt and play with my AC stuff on .He has a terrible invasive bush epidemic that is taking over his forest. We have been waging war with weed eaters set up with sawblades. We wear backpack sprayers and spray the stump immediately after cutting. Question is what is the most cost effective herbicide to spray on the stumps. We have been using brush and shrubherbicide killer from farm store but 35 bucks for a gallon that mixes with 4 gallons diesel. Is there cheaper effective product? 5 acres in 2 weekends 75 more to go ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 1:39pm
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iv had good luck with crossbow and diesel ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: TDF
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 2:05pm
| Tordon applied with a paint brush right on the freshly cut stump is my go to. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 2:11pm
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Agree with Cal and TDF. Crossbow on woody plants/brush/trees and Tordon on fresh cut stumps. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 2:40pm
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Use a surfactant with anything you use on brush for adhesion to the plant foilage . I've had good luck with crossbow as well but I think Remedy ultra is better but it cost more.you get better kills when the plant is not stressed. And timing is important as well. Check with your county agent,if you got one. ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 2:50pm
| Tordon works best |
Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 5:22pm
| We paint glyphosate right on the stump, sometimes we pour it on right out of the jug when fresh cut. Kills willows even! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 5:39pm
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X2 on the Roundup, and applying it right after the cut. Roundup can be painted on full strength(41%A.I.) or diluted to half strength(20.5%A.I.). Problem with tordon, and the broadleaf killers is, that they can transfer through root knots, to other non-target trees, and kill them, too. What is the name of the invasive tree/brush?
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Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 5:53pm
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My Ag supplier also got me some Crossbow ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: TDF
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 7:45pm
I've heard that and from many very reputable sources but I've never experienced it. I even used it to kill 6 inch diameter trees I cut out of a lilac bush line around my old house, and never lost a lilac. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've used it so many times over the last 15 years and never had a problem that I'm starting to think conditions must have to be perfect for that to occur. TDF |
DiyDave wrote:Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:01pm
BGE(barely getting electric) "spot" applied it a coupla years ago, on a steep hill, under PL ROW, it killed everything, and the hill eroded severely...
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Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:02pm
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A tree service, distant relative, told me to use table salt-if you are not in a hurry! Drill 1/4" holes and pour! I did it to an 18" stump one summer, had to keep adding soil for 5 years as the roots kept rotting! ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:11pm
If you wanna burn the stumps, use potassium nitrate, drill 1" holes, 4-5" deep, fer medium (18-24") stumps, cork the holes, and in a year or 2, the stump will burn out pretty good, just pour some diesel on 'em, to get started...
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 8:13pm
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'greenies' roundup... vinegar,salt and dish soap. Apply at early morning, plants will wither early afternoon. jug of vinegar, cup of salt,2 capfuls of dishsoap. spray all the leaves , BOTTOMS and tops. hay, it's cheap enough to try ! It worked for me a few times I needed something. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 9:32pm
| Tordon |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 9:43pm
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Russian olive,multi flora,hedge are the worst. Wild rose,usual sticker bushes and vines. Problem with Tordon is comes full strength,expensive and has to be dabbed or dripped onto stump or stub. Looking to use backpack sprayer . Can cut and spray right away easy without bending over to apply. Also sticker bushes need sprayed. We have a lot of ground to cover and need to work as efficient as we can .Thanks for all the responses ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 9:55pm
X2 about the Tordon. I have my commercial applicators license and have used it on the job. If you want to kill everything, use Tordon. If you plan to leave certain trees, might want to find something else. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2018 at 10:06pm
| roundup can/will also kill other trees that the roots are inter-mingled with. tordon works best, put on as soon as you put your saw down. I buy a spray bottle and hook the trigger on my pants pocket, then with a small reach can spray the stump without setting my saw down to treat it. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 7:36am
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Pat, have you thought about a two phase approach. Spry the small stuff this summer early After it leafs out. Then move in next yer or whenever and do the stuff that is large and has to be cut down. BTW, i have not had an occasion when tordon or round up transferred to adjacent plants through root systems. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 1:44pm
| We had after able brush problem. Borrowed 20 cow from my brother and put them loose on 40 acres in 2 months they had it all cleaned up. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 2:27pm
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There is an alternate material IF you can get it sprayed on the entire bush(close to ground or get the sprayer over) . We use it here for controlling saplings of locust and multiflora. Mix as per instructions to gallons of water in a tank, Crossbow, 2-4-D and Tordon(can use RTU just use a entire bottle to a 250 gallon sprayer). Spray when the shrubbery is in a growth stage, not during excess dry or late fall but as greening up, will be dead in a month and will NOT come back. Will not affect grasses. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 4:00pm
| lots of times while planting, i'd be planting on the edge of thenfields, when i'd come across a branch sticking out, i'd cut it off, spray the stub with tordon, and by end of summer that whole tree would be dead or dying. that was on trees that were 30-40 ft tall and smaller in size. |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 4:19pm
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Now if you have a skid loader or 3 point - sons brush puller works great - removes plant and roots - . https://youtu.be/rNv0cyzc90k" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/rNv0cyzc90k ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 4:22pm
pffft. must not be hedge (osage orange). those suckers are hard to kill ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 7:45pm
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Crossbow is 35% 2-4-D and 16% 3-5-6-T. 2-4-D is a LOT cheaper and will work on many smaller brush if you cut them and dab onto the stumps... If your looking for BULK material and LOWER cost. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 8:10pm
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Do you happen to have a state or county forestry dept? In WI there are some cost sharing programs to eliminate invasive vegetation. Our foresters are very good to work with and are very helpful as far as knowledge goes. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2018 at 8:14pm
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Tordon comes RTU so it's ready to go right out of the jug. thanks; ac fleet |
Posted By: CaseyCreek
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 9:17am
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How big is the brush? Any pictures? Is it small enough to mow with a rotary cutter? Mowing would give you the opening/exposure you need into the plant per Shameless. Then you could use a boom sprayer to hit the whole field at once. The mowing would also mulch up lots of the brush. ------------- D17 Series III,D17 Series IV, 185 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 5:51pm
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Some of the invasive brush have green leaves up toward the end of the year, where other "trees" loose their leaves in October...... In Illinois there is a state program to "spray" the wooded areas of some counties in early December using crop duster air planes.. The spray gets on the invasive leaves and kills the brush... hopefully the trees are not effected since no leaves............. son had that done 2-3 years ago... seem to help over 60%. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 10:37pm
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They are like small trees 1 inch to 2 inches diameter at the base . The property is mostly mature woods Walnuts,white ,black and red oaks. Hilly with creeks running through it. Too dense to mow or spray with larger equipment. More than one type of tree,Bush taking over. Trying to clean up the thorny stuff while we are at it . The state DNR sent out a district forest manager and he set my friend up in a program to manage the timber. Basically logging off mature trees every 15 years. If we control/eliminate the invasive stuff my friend gets a tax credit for the timber he sells. Also we are trying to open up the timber where we can see better for hunting. The brush and small stuff took over the last few years. A severe ice storm a few years ago coincided about the same time as the brush took off. When I first started hunting over there 20 years ago it was much more open under the canopy above. Now you can hardly walk through. ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 11:37pm
| if it is that small of stuff, get a skid loader anf get one of Cokes sons tree puller. the reason is his puller will out pull and outlast any on the market. mine has pulled approx. 1200 trees from 8 inch on down to 1 inch trunks in size and it still works/looks like new yet. if you go in and shred them, don't drive back in with pneumatic tired anything as all it will do is flatten tires. cutting and spraying them is labor intensive, pulling them and piling them is best. the piles will dry out for burning or if not burnt, create a good wildlife habitat. |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 8:01am
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Too Hilly to get a skid loader in there. Would spend more time trying to get it off its side and back on it's tracks / tires ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: D17JIM2
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 9:11am
| I've used tordon RTU many time w/o the problem of killing the bushes or trees next to where i used it. But it is on the label as a warning. |
Posted By: CaseyCreek
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 9:21am
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Bush hogs can take a lot. I can show you what I have done in similar situations: http://allischalmers.shutterfly.com/pictures/176" rel="nofollow - http://allischalmers.shutterfly.com/pictures/176 ------------- D17 Series III,D17 Series IV, 185 |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 5:07pm
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If it is European Buckthorn - unless it's killed to the root it will come back 2 fold it seems . Just cutting it off and the roots send out several new stalks or trunks - the birds spread it as the black berries seem to be a diuretic and birds drop the seed which seems to grow instantly . I took a lot of it out with the backhoe before son built his puller for skid loader use. He has modified a unit also to fit on front of utility tractors to mound on loader arms - so can build units for front or back of tractors ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 6:49pm
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If you can be there over a weekend, burn it on Friday and early Saturday. That way you're getting rid of the crap while protecting the BIG trees. It's a waiting game, but worth it. PATIENCE,,,,,,,,,,,,,a little at a time. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2018 at 8:43pm
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If its that hilly, get some goats, and fence them in with a 'lectric fence...
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2018 at 8:42pm
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Maybe you could get someone in to cut the trees for the lumber and get them to clean out all the crap? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |