Johndeere easychange........ we're getting lazy
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Topic: Johndeere easychange........ we're getting lazy
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Subject: Johndeere easychange........ we're getting lazy
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:32am
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I can see this working if its a drysump system. It only looks like a partial oil change. https://youtu.be/h-4YIuXSoAc" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/h-4YIuXSoAc |
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 8:23am
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Now that's a load of crap. That's not an oil change doesn't matter how you look at it. Seems to me it would make more sense for the dealer to teach people to change oil. Would help the machine and would probably help the relationship with the customer ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: cpg
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 8:31am
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Makes sense; when I want to change my oil without changing out of my dress shirt and tie I also need an easy change system! Just a result of how things are; people want absolutely no effort to take care of anything. That looks about like their version of the Briggs and Stratton no oil change ever push mower engines. Just check the level and add some; never had to change it. Probably just designed from new to burn enough oil that by adding you keep enough new oil in it. https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na/en_us/campaigns/just-check-and-add.html" rel="nofollow - Briggs Check and Add |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 8:44am
| And don't forget oil is like kryptonite to some people |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 9:06am
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Well lets face it we as a group are not the norm. Most people would hardly know which end of the wrench to use and this would be right up their alley. Hopefully they put arrows on the filter to let them know which way to turn it. Just saying. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 9:42am
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No thanks. I'll stick with my 1997 JD 325. We'll see how many "easy oil change" tractors are still going strong in 20 years. Anyone would be better off buying a used "real" JD garden tractor than the 100 series and big box discount models. An older 300 (or 400) series is built much better with a Kawasaki gas engine or a Yanmar diesel. Sure, you will spend $1500-$2,000 for a new tractor and $2,000 and up for a used 300 or 400 series...but it's worth it. ...and an oil change on my 325? The drain plug is RIGHT THERE and the oil filter is in easy reach. Solving a problem that wasn't a problem.
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 10:02am
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Wow. So what happens to the oil that is already in the engine? Johnny-cut-corners is at it again! ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 10:12am
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I just read an article that says that it changes .8 quarts which is about 40% of the engine oil and the rest of the oil is "refreshed" with the new oil. Um....yeah. Anyhoo, my guess is that they know that the people buying the 100 series don't expect the tractor to last over about 5 to 7 years anyway and just keeping just about any small engine- with a filter- topped up with oil...with no oil changes will probably pull that off. BTW, it's $40. So, some math- Oil filter for JD lawn tractor- $6.99 1 quart of oil 10w30-$6.99 Cost of filter and oil combined= $13.98 getting people to pay $40 for something that was $13.99 (with profit built in)- priceless
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 10:40am
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Changing 40% of the oil is better than not changing it at all. If you did it a couple times a year instead of annually or biannually, I'd think you'd be ok. The oil in Mom's mower only gets changed when I do it, and that's not very often... Engine oil is different than transmission oil, but how about all us shade tree guys that drop their transmission pan and change 1/2 the oil??
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Posted By: albatros_3
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 11:00am
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It's better than nothing. I see a number of newer lawn mowers on CL and at auctions with bad motors that all seem to be related to oil. Johnny Homeowner will blame John Deere when the motor locks up, not his lack maintenance or failure to follow owner manual guidelines. So to get Mr. Homeowner to do what he's supposed to do, you have to make it as simple and easy as possible. |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 11:18am
| Lot of people are not mechanically inclined so it is a selling point. Where I live, I get a snowblower or lawnmower every month or so that people put on their driveway for the town to take away or for anybody to take because of some minor issues. Just got a nice toro this weekend---> pull cord was pulled out and took it off and repaired it. Got a lawnboy a few weeks ago- self propelled belt was worn out. 10 bucks, 1 hr labor and as good as new. I generally give them to a friend of mine and he sells them. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 12:04pm
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I'll stick with my Conquest. That's a great mower with full suspension and all. Cost a pretty penny though. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 2:22pm
| Remember a few years back when I was informed that the high-end German cars have been changing the oil through the dipstick for a number of years, vs. draining via a pan plug. Made me wonder just how much for contaminants/sludge would build up over a number of years if only the dipstick change was done . . . . . |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 2:25pm
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What a joke. But...like was stated, most of the city folk don't know how to do it, don't have the tools, or (if they're like women) just assume all they need to do is drive it, and it will go forever. Used to have a neighbor lady like that...she had an X300 with about 4,000 hours on it. I asked her once how often she greased the deck spindles, and she laughed and said she doesn't do anything but pour gas in. I don't know how it lasted that long. I think her husband did a little maintenance here and there, but he died several years ago. Still...several years is a long time without grease... Personally, we have an X595 and I love that machine. I wouldn't have anything else. Yanmar diesel, 4x4, 62" deck...there isn't anything it won't do. I only mow at half throttle, because it's got so much power and torque. Engine never even sounds like it has a load on it. Occasionally I bump the throttle up a bit, but only to gain ground speed.
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Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 2:32pm
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Nice tractor- the newer X500s and above are the successors to the older 300 and 400 series i was speaking about. Frames, hydraulics....much preferable to stamped steel "unibodies" and springs and levers. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 2:59pm
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CrestonM wrote:Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 6:10pm
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Good buddy of mine was a mechanic years ago at a Toyota dealership. He told me that a woman came in once and wanted to know if there was a longer dipstick for her car as the original one didn't reach the oil anymore! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 6:35pm
What eyesinscheiss forgets to mention, is that now we gots even more captive parts to sell you. Also they don't care if you burn up your engine, we can sell you the captive part or a new mower, just pay every month, like the rent...
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 6:44pm
| Ford Escape transmissions are like this, the filter is internal, it hold 9 qts of the expensive oil, you drain 5 out, put 5 new in, next week you drain 4 out put 4 new oil in,, that's the explaination of a tranny oil change,, on YouTube any ways ! |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:07pm
| You have to remember, that John Deere is selling this to a specific market segment, and this is what that market segment wants. As a wise man once told me, "The customer isn't always right, but he's still the customer". This may not be the way you and I want to do it, but I don't think we are the market segment they had in mind. |
Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 7:53pm
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Hey you kinda hafta give them a break for actually doing something they perceive as maintenance. As said better than nothing. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Orange Glow
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2018 at 9:20pm
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I do agree that it’s a lot better than nothing, but like was said, I couldn’t justify getting something like that. I like tinkering with maintenance, and compared to the big tractors, combine, and bulldozer, a lawn tractor is fun to maintain. I have around 18 lawn and garden tractors, my newest is a 1990. So I wouldn’t have much to say for the newer ones anyway. But from my experiences of fixing them up, there are many places where a little maintenance would have gone a long way, even if it wasn’t much. And as for the good old Deere’s, the old 100 series (1963-1974) were good, in my opinion. I like the single cylinder Kohler K-series engines. The 200 300 and 400 series were good also, but there was a few models that had terrible quirks. |
Posted By: PaulW(NE)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2018 at 4:05am
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I work in parts at a deere dealer. With the new E series quick change oil filter is that it's for the people who don't want to mess with oil disposal. But if you want to the quick change can be converted back to a regular oil filter and drain plug if the owner wants to do oil changes. I see lots of mowers come in to be worked on that basic maintance would have been cheaper in the long run. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2018 at 9:12am
| So if they don't want to mess with oil disposal, where do they put the old filter? It has oil in it, right? Just toss it? |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2018 at 10:31am
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Up here, north of the 49th, in the land of taxes, we get taxed when we buy oil and filters supposed to pay for the 'recycling', that of course costs me to drive to the recycle center. It'd be interesting to see WHERE used oil filters end up.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |