7045 gelling
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Topic: 7045 gelling
Posted By: Rtist
Subject: 7045 gelling
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 10:19pm
I’ve got a 7045 that I keep having problems with it gelling this winter. This is the first winter I’ve owned it, and honestly I didn’t get the fuel blended like I should have well before it got cold. After the first time it gelled, I changed the fuel filter, added a big bottle of howes and 10gallons of 50/50 blended fuel(its full now). I ran it for awhile one day when it was decent out. Ran fine. Saturday when it was 3 degrees it started(plugged in
of course) warmed up for 15 mins,
moved snow for 10-15 mins then sputtered and died. Here’s my question: it’s got the auxiliary tank on it along with the main tank. I’ve treated the main tank with #1 fuel and howes. I haven’t looked to see how the auxiliary tank is hooked up. It doesn’t pull from that tank first does it? I’m just wondering if I’m not getting any treatment or #1 diesel into that smaller tank causing this. I plan on checking it out tomorrow, but I figured I’d ask. I’m a newbie to AC tractors and I’m a new member! Any help will be appreciated!
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Posted By: DIESEL
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 10:37pm
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Fuel flows freely between the two tank's, but probably don't mix the best in this scenario. I'll be honest with you, I gelled up every winter trying to blend and add Hows, now i fill up with straight no.1 before it gets cold and give it a good shot of additive for lubrication.
My neighbor says he has problems with the line that goes between the two tanks gelling, after he warms it with a propane heater under there he gets along good.
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Posted By: Rtist
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 11:12pm
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Next year I’ll be sure it’s full of straight #1! It had a lot of fuel in it when I bought it this past fall, and I don’t use it that much so it wasn’t very low when I started treating it. Hopefully I can limp by the rest of this winter. Luckily my cows are on stalks right here at home this year, so I’ve been able to just use my old skidsteer to hay them when I need to.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2018 at 11:20pm
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I know that as soon as I say this, things are going to turn bad. But in our 185 loader tractor, we've been running straight number two with Howes in it all winter. And there was one night that it got down to 35 below, and only topped out at 10 below the next day when we used it to feed with. I didn't really plan on running number two all winter, but we kind of got caught with our pants down when the first cold snap hit and it didn't gel up. So we said what the hell, if it works, why change. We run Howes all year around, just a little weaker in the warm months, so it's definitely in the system. Darrel
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 4:28am
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Sounds like you're not getting a premium fuel. I've seen it jell at 35 degrees, and then some like Darrel said didn't jell at way below 0 degrees. See what the cetane rating and that will tell the story.
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Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 6:40am
Just throwing this out there, but, is it possible that it was full of biodiesel when he got it. I know in our area that stuff is a pain in the rear this time of year.
Never had much luck with Howes. Always got best results using Power Service. When filling the tank use the white bottle. If tank is full and gelling up, use the red bottle, rescue 911.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 6:56am
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^ x2 If you had it jell up, vs. preventing jell, I'd treat it with the Power Service 911. You don't even need to change the fuel filter with this stuff, you can take the old one off and fill it with the 911. If you have a new filter, fine, but you don't have to is my point. It worked for me a few years back in a similar situation where it got cold quickly and early and I had summer fuel.
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 8:11am
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Personally,I've always used Power Service. The 911 is great stuff for an already gelled system, BUT... Years ago (in the late 70's), the guy that did my injection pump work (on the 180 that I pulled) told me if I was going to use fuel conditioner, to stick with one brand. He said different brands were different formulations and there was a chance of a problem when mixing these different conditioners. I realize this is info from 40 years ago, but I would be very careful mixing different fuel conditioners.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 8:32am
If you have biofuel in it it will need to be 50/50 blended with #1 fuel. That’s my experience. If no bbiofuel then blend to 1/3 #1 and 2/3 #2. I have very little luck running #2 in Minnesota using magic in a can during winter months. Minnesota of course mandates biofuel.
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Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 8:43am
After many yrs of playing the additive game; with very mixed results, I make sure my tank is around 1/4 and then fill with number 1. A few yrs ago, i got caught with too much fuel and bought a little pump run by "D" cell battery's that helped me out tremendously. When i fill the tank; I then try to take the tractor out an use it to get the fuel mixed.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 8:43am
Here’s what I would do, I’d pump out half of your fuel and bring to full using #1. Take off fuel filter and treat it with 9-11 fuel treatment. Myself I’d just throw new filter on but either way treat the fuel in tank with anti-gel for whatever amount of fuel is in your tank. Put the treatment in tank before adding the #1 fuel so it mixes well when adding the #1 fuel. Been down this road enough to know what works and what might work. My way has worked every time without fail. I’d also treat the fuel with a fuel lubricant when running a 50/50 blend.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 8:50am
If you haven’t got a pump go to a farm store like a Fleet Farm and get a 12 volt pump they use on little sprayer rigs that go on a 4 wheeler or garden tractor. Those pumps work great for pumping diesel and you just hook the leads up to your tractor batteries. I have one mounted on a small plank with a toggle switch. Clamp it to your step and use the braided sprayer hose cut to the lengths you want.
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Posted By: Rtist
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2018 at 9:28am
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Thanks for all the input guys! Much appreciated! Tomorrow and Wednesday its supposed to be warmer here in Nebraska. I think I’ll try to pump most of the fuel outta my tank and fill it up with straight #1 and some conditioner and be done. That way I know what I’ve got.
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