D17 series 4
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Topic: D17 series 4
Posted By: michaelwis
Subject: D17 series 4
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 7:04pm
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I may have stumbled on yo a D17 series 4. Engine is locked up...not ran in years Buy a engine used ? Start over and due it new ? Costs ? Any thoughts are appreciated ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
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Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 7:44pm
| A Series IV is a very desirable tractor but you left out a lot of information to consider!! First off, is it a gasser, diesel or LPG?? Ryan |
Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 6:46am
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Sorry It's a gas..3 Pont hitch ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 6:59am
| It has some serious potential. Depends on how bad the rest of the tractor is in and how much you can buy it for. I'd rather rebuild the motor and start off new that buy half worn out motor. $1500-2000 in a good rebuild if you do it yourself. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2018 at 5:07pm
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If the tractor is complete and can be bought cheap enough ($500), definitely rebuild it. Just take your time soaking the engine so you can get it loose enough to take apart. I did that with a $200 D14 I bought some years ago. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 4:37am
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the engine was locked up in my d17 series I loader/backhoe when I bought it. left it soak in a home brew of pb blaster, diesle fuel and it came loose in a few days. ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 7:09am
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Mike- The D17 Series IV was desireable not only because it had the factory 3 point hitch, but also because it had low-pressure/high volume FULLY LIVE hydraulics, with multiple circuits. It's a fully modern machine with respect to hydraulics. Combine that, with it's compact footprint and substantial horsepower, it's still, even by today's standards, a very capable farming machine. When the D17 came out, it was considered a 'big' machine... turning soil and harvesting crops were expected. Nowdays, main farming machines have grown substantially, so the D17 is considered more of a 'utility', but it will work small fields every bit as good, and sometimes easier, than a modern monster. As the others say, the engine is not a big deal, even if it's stuck... it's a sleeved engine design, even if it's stuck beyond help, replacement internal parts are easily found and not too expensive. Worst you'd have to do is unbolt the rods, lift out the crank, drive out the sleeves and reciprocating assembly, cut the sleeves in half, and save whatever survives, put new bearings in it, new sleeves and pistons, clean up the head and valves, and put it back together... It's actually probably the easiest 4-cylinder engine to work on ever... and getting it out of a Series IV isn't too bad.  ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2018 at 9:07am
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You also left out another very important piece of info... where precisely it is located at... Get it, soak it, and see if you can get it loose... and then start it and see what you have,... If you have to take the head off to loosen it, take a good look at the condition of the sleeves. If you have to remove the sleeves to get the pistons out, then rebuild the engine. But first before you do anything seriously, check to make sure the starter is not binding, and the hydraulic pump is not stuck... maybe just rocking the tractor back and forth might even get it loose if your real lucky.... ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 7:45am
| Be careful about that rocking back and forth or pulling. You can bend a rod and not even know it. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 9:22am
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If overhauling isn't in your budget, Gleaner E engines are out there for about half what an overhaul would run. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 11:17am
Leon, Your right about the 'rocking'... one mans rocking can be different than another's.... Can't go crazy like I have heard of some who hook a chain to a tractor and 'break ' the engine loose by dropping the clutch at 30 miles an hour... that's eminent disaster waiting to happen. Rocking is like your able to rock the tractor by hand in high gear back and forth. And another way to try and 'break the engine loose is to take the starter off and pry on the ring gear teeth... but have to be careful about that so you don't break or damge the ring gear... ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 5:13pm
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Once you get the head off, you will be able to tell more about the shape of the sleeve/pistons. The usual problem is they sit outdoors without the exhaust covered and rain and snow go down the exhaust and through whatever valve is open. I soaked a D-17 engine with an automatic transmission fluid / acetone mix for month. I ended up removing the (stuck) back sleeve and piston. I put the sleeve in my press (20 tons) and ended up breaking the top off the piston. There was no way that engine was going to free up. Another thing for us northerners to watch is, if there is enough water on top of the piston, when it freezes, it expands and it can crack the head. Check the head carefully. With all that said, my D-17 IV is one of my favorite tractors. I wouldn't hesitate to invest a couple thousand dollars into one to have one with a completely rebuilt engine.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2018 at 8:47pm
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Mike, when you get tired of scratching your head, I'll be up to pick it up. I've got an engine just waiting to get put in. I've always wanted a Series IV. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |