Bare-backs
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Topic: Bare-backs
Posted By: Mikez
Subject: Bare-backs
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:05pm
| I know what they are. I was watching RFD Mecum auction and two D21s went through and both were bare backs. It just made me wounder. Did customers order them or did dealers order them or did allis build them for a reason. Just curious on the thought proses. I get they would be cheaper. But is that the soul reason. |
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Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:38pm
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I think it was a cost savings as most thought they were a big tractor designed strictly for pulling. Mine had no 3 pt but did have a pto. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:48pm
| Around my place, everyone used the biggest tractor they had to pull tillage and seeding equipment around fields. Nothing was 3 pt. As long as they had hydraulics, they were good. Most of the farmers that bought these "big" tractors bought em bare back strictly because of money savings. They never dreamt that someday, a D21 would be a small tractor, and a 600 horse quad track would be a "big" tractor. Darrel |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:28pm
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Totally agree with Darrell. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:38pm
| That's kinda what I thought |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:44pm
| x2, Darrel. I used to think everyone farmed the way we did out here on the plains, using big tractors and pull type implements. Then when we ventured up to Hutch for the first time, I was shocked to see fields smaller than 160 acres. Lol |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:20pm
| lot of bare back tractors out here on the plains. |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 8:04pm
| A guy in our area got a D 21 and people said what did he need a tractor so big..Fields were to small to turn it around in.When we combined with a 60 we selmond cut two days in same field. Yall would have starved on farms like I grew up around. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 6:46am
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Nowdays the so called farmers around here won’t even hook a hayrake behind anything less than 125HP and not without a cab, perish the thought. I can’t even begin to guess the hours I spent raking hay with a 39 B. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 7:17am
| The bareback trend is there still today. You will see a lot of the big tractors bareback today for cost savings, and ones that are, are a premium. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 8:01am
160 acers! That's bigger than 90% of farms around here, let alone a field. Lol PaulB, I agree with you. I can't believe some of the tractors I see going up and down the roads nowadays. I don't see how they pay for them, because I know the fields didn't get any bigger. They gotta cost half a million. |
CrestonM wrote:Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 11:09am
| Almost all the fields around here are a quarter section. I can usually dig one before lunch and another after lunch. Still takes a month before were done planting. It does take a real long time to do small pieces. We planted a 5 acre field of oats for the horse between the river and pasture. Long skinny and crooked. Took a long time making one pass fold the equipment turn around unfold and do it again till it was ready to plant. It's real hard to plant an area that small with a 40' drill. But that's the smallest equipment on the farm. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 7:08pm
| Ok that's what I was thinking. But who determined them. Did dealers order them or did the customers order them. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 7:53pm
six of one; half a dozen of the other. Dealers ordered what sold. Farmers weren't going to pay for a three point hitch that they were never going to use, so dealers ordered that way, and farmers bought them that way. One neighbor has a one seventy that his family bought new. Ordered with a three point hitch. He tells me that the neighbors tormented em for wasting money on that three point. He knows now, and he did then, too, that it was a good thing to have done. Darrel |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 9:33pm
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MikeZ started this thread, 'Bare Backs'... I was expecting bare backs alright... not this type of bare back... horse rider with no saddle or reigns.  nor one of these grammy award winners... can you imagine one of them out in the hayfield ? LOL  Now this was what I expected, real BARE BACK...No 3pt arms, housing or PTO, just a plate.   Here is a 220 with extra wide swing drawbar.  In this part of the world, if you have a farm that is half tillable, your lucky. very few fields around here have a full 80 that can be all tilled... many fields are less than 10 acres, and you work around the swamps and drains and rivers and other problems like highly erodible soils or to steep to farm... What is funny is the old timers opened the country up with horses, oxen and breaking plows and stump pullers, then along came the steam engines and the big tractors that were sometimes used to do the work the oxens and horses and sweat an shovels hadn't done yet, then the old steamers and prairie tractors got relegated to the sawmills while the newer inventions came along like more modern small tractors on steel wheels and then the bulldozers. Another more funnier thing that is happening is there people that come up here from Illinois and Iowa thinking they can farm this ground like they do down where they came from... Land is cheap in comparison... They get a rude awakening... first the season isn't as long, the weather is cooler the bu. per acre are far less and they think the northern bumpkins don't know how to farm... and throw fertilizer at the ground and weed/pest sprays and seed while it is to cold and frost still possible. then comes harvest time... one fellow built a huge bin on a place and never has filled it yet and rents every parcel that he can get ahold of to make up the difference. Dad had always said that this area up here is for grazing, not cash cropping. Go south 60 miles and you can start talking about cash cropping. different weather, different soils... more loams, not lake silt, sand, clay or peat. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 10:07pm
| Haha well jc thanks, I knew someone would take it there. Like bareback horse rider |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 1:09am
And Mike, she's BARE foot too  mmm do want more 'bare backs' ?  None bare back... AC440 (Steiger, Cummins triple nickel powered)  Here's another bare back...  and another...  Wagner 1962 WA14  In the 60's, I never thought to much about bare backs vs. snap coupler of 3pt. cuzz most of the old tractors supplied a drawbar and a pto and a belt pulley... and many pre 50's did not have any hydraulics, but then so much equipment started to be made for 3pt attachments... and I wondered why so many tractors were still being sold without 3pt on them to accommodate all the new attachments... But knew also that some didn't want to spend the extra dollars for it either. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Tim (Cent.WI)
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 6:41am
| JC, just curious what part of WI you are from? |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 6:45am
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So how much more would it have cost to get PTO and 3pt over getting it without? |