WD hand clutch picking corn
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Topic: WD hand clutch picking corn
Posted By: Gary (sw Wis.)
Subject: WD hand clutch picking corn
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:16am
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I was picking corn with my mounted 190 picker on a WD. My problem is with today's corn I cannot go slow enough. So that lead me to some questions. Is it hard on the hand clutch to feather it for long periods of time? It gets hot. What does every one use for oil in the transmission? And how full do I fill it? ------------- 190XT - D17 - D14 - WD45 w/loader - WD - (2)B110 - 616H - 610 - B-208 - WD with 190 Mounted Corn Picker - All Crop 60 |
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:29am
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I'm no hands on expert on a WD, but I do know that generally speaking when you're doing something to a mechanical device that isn't usual and it's getting hot, that generally isn't good! I do thought for you to ponder....."Today's Corn" will still only grow how much you shoot for so to speak. If you plan to continue to pick corn this way, cut back, way back, on the planted population and manage your fertility accordingly. You'll get nice big ears, but at a manageable material flow rate.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:35am
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Yep, plant at 20,000 or 22,000 seeds per acre...... maybe up to 25,000. Better yet, find a D17 and mount it to that. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:37am
| I would use 821 or a good hydraulic wet brake oil. MACK |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:45am
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My dad bought a '53 WD that had been a demonstrator. We were told that because the hand clutch was a wet clutch, oil bath, that it could be spilted all day. Also it can wear down and it has shims that can be removed if it starts slipping on its own. To get to the shims, remove the battery box, and the cover under it. I don't remember for sure but I think it's the same compartment as the hydraulic. If so then use hydraulic oil. Back when the WD was new, non detergent motor oil was used for hydraulic oil. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:49am
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The hand clutch is bathed in oil/fluid and will take a lot of abuse but it's not indestructible. It is made to be slipped unlike the foot clutch. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:58am
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ALL WD hand clutches were wet clutches..ALL.Like what was said, lower your population to around 20,000 or so. The manual explains about the clutch pack shim procedure. Enjoy your picking! Wish I could help! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 9:16am
| Straight stick WD's had a faster low gear than late WD's and WD-45's. D-17's have a slower low gear with the Power Director clutch. If your engine has enough power, you could consider installing larger sprockets on the PTO shaft and run the engine speed slower. Slipping the hand clutch all day will eventually cost you money. They are tough, but will require a certain amount of maintenance when used hard like that. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 9:35am
| I never meant my comment to be a comment on slipping a wet clutch.....just when something is getting hot, it usually ain't a good sign, and like doc says, it's likely going to cost you money at some point. Thing is, I guess "hot" is a subjective statement. How hot? Feel the from a foot away, can't quite stand to touch it, fry an egg??? |
Posted By: Gary (sw Wis.)
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 9:45am
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Thanks for the replies. I have no control over the corn. My neighbor and I help each other out, it's his corn. I raise a few sows for farrowing and pick a few acres that he leaves for me. My wife says I mostly do it for fun which isn't far from the truth but don't want to tear anything up. Because it so few acres I don't want to change tractors, it's been a unit since 1974. I'm the second owner of this machine. The original owner lived less the 2 miles from where I was raised. I don't believe it left his farm until I bought it. ------------- 190XT - D17 - D14 - WD45 w/loader - WD - (2)B110 - 616H - 610 - B-208 - WD with 190 Mounted Corn Picker - All Crop 60 |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 10:22am
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Gary, We have an old WD that picked most of the corn on this farm Some years over 5000 bushels. Dad put on 12.4 tires from the 11.2 and speeded the tractor up to the point it was almost to fast in general picking and in hard picking, you had to slip the clutch... And it got slipped by the hour. Keep the clutch full of good oil. Seems we pulled a few shims out of it many years ago But never has been apart. Maybe we were lucky. The picker is a number 33. There was one year that we had to hire the picking done when we had planted Trojan TX90 corn, that stuff was 12-14 feet tall and had 3 cobs to a stalk and the first one was at eye level or higher. That was some corn. Tried picking it and the rolls had a hard time with the size of the stalk itself and could not raise high enough to just pick under the ear. Even a New Idea 324 picker had some troubles picking it. had an 8 roll bed and should have had a 12... the ears were over a foot long too. That TX90 seed was only available for like 3 years and was discontinued. To plow the stalks under was like trying to plow small trees down. had to disc it twice and put weights on the disk to get it to cut through... should have had a stalk chopper at the time. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: polarbear
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 1:58pm
| put some lucas transmission oil in the clutch will definetly run cooler |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 3:43pm
Better yet sell picker to me  and get yourself a pull type new idea. Just kidding unless you want to sell it then I would buy it  . Always wanted one.
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 3:53pm
Question: What is the extra energy expelled as then if it isn't heat? Friction losses have to turn into something. |
polarbear wrote:Posted By: HoughMade
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 4:03pm
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I think its more that the heat is more efficiently transferred. ------------- 1951 B |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 4:21pm
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Im curious about the setting of the picker. The 190 has no where near the capacity of a New Idea but has a lot more than a 33. I would think you should be able to pick with a WD in 150bpa corn with out having to ride the hand clutch. Why are you needing to ride the clutch? Is it plugging at the snapping rolls? Or not getting through the husking bed? How are your stripper plates set at the snapping rolls? If they are really close you are going to have some slow picking. Are your snapping roll knives worn? Would love to see some pictures of the rig! Jim ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 6:47pm
It isn't. Transmission oil is designed to "grab", which decreases heat and friction in an automatic transmission. It doesn't have friction modifiers. This application is different. He wants a controlled amount of friction. Cooling fins on the case would reduce heat, but it really won't improve anything. The clutch is being used as designed. Maybe he could put a set of wheels and tires from a B or C on the WD while using iy for picking. Eta: Uh maybe not. I checked tire height. The tractor would be about 22 inches lower. It would move half as fast. But the drawbar would be dragging in the ground. |
Posted By: Gary (sw Wis.)
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 7:04pm
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Thanks again, let's see if I can answer a few of your thoughts. Well guys I drained the transmission oil and it was not pretty, it looked like mud. So I'm guessing fresh oil filled to the proper level will at least help. How full is the proper level?When I said it was hot I could hold my hand on the housing no problem but it was much warmer then my other WD ever gets. My sons would by very unhappy if I sold it. As for the setting of the picker I'll have to get the manual out and spend some time with it. I have a couple of picture but I have no clue how to put them on here. Maybe I could e-mail to some one that can post them. Sorry I missed a good question. The main problem is the corn is not clean. a fair amount still has the husk on it but even a bigger deal is way to much stalk and chaff is making it thru if I don't feather the hand clutch. It has never plugged to the point that I have to clean it by hand, if I stop it will clean itself out. One more thing it's missing the elevator deflector as well. If any one has one for sale I'll be interested. ------------- 190XT - D17 - D14 - WD45 w/loader - WD - (2)B110 - 616H - 610 - B-208 - WD with 190 Mounted Corn Picker - All Crop 60 |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 8:46pm
| If you can hold your hand on the housing it's not hot. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 10:03pm
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You can email me pictures and I can post them. jimacman@hotmail.com You can call me sometime and I can talk to you about the picker settings. Send me a pm if you want I will give you my number. ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 10:08pm
| 200 degrees + is hot. 110 degrees is about all you can hold your hand on. MACK |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2017 at 6:24am
Consider what MACK says here and that any oil worth its salt should easily be able to stand 300+ degree temps. The heat isn't hurting anything. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 9:16am
 
------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 9:17am
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Great looking rig! ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 9:33am
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The WD hand clutch was built to pull a round baler and if you have baled heavy hay with one you know just how the hand clutch was feathered it for long periods of time, I'm saying go 10' or so and stop them go again 10' and stop all day long. Keep it full of good oil and pick your corn it will be OK. lol ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Gary (sw Wis.)
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 7:18pm
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Jim, Thanks for post the picture for me. I've got a couple of more loads to pick later this week and than back in the shed this next fall. ------------- 190XT - D17 - D14 - WD45 w/loader - WD - (2)B110 - 616H - 610 - B-208 - WD with 190 Mounted Corn Picker - All Crop 60 |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 8:22pm
| Gary I had a 226 JD picker mounted on a wd45. I had the PTO gear for a JD tractor. I continually had to slip the hand clutch. If I had the correct gear for the WD 45 the picker would have run faster eliminating the slipping of the hand clutch. I had purchased the picker at a farm sale and purchased the mounting brackets from another fellow. He could not find the PTO gear for the WD 45 so I ran the one I got with the picker. Might speed up your picker a little and eliminate your problem. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2017 at 8:38pm
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I always wanted to see one of those in action, it has to be dusty on the tractor? Watching the corn come into the picker just seams like a good idea instead of turning around all the time watching it go into a pull type like dad’s New Idea. Shorter turn around as well. Just curious of when the last one was built? ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 7:38am
| Yeah being able to see it is good in a way, but that dust is a killer. Sometimes literally. Lots of older farmers developed asthma, emphysema, etc.,. Personally I have asthma. I'll keep the dust behind me, and in many conditions I have to wear a mask. |