Gleaner on RFD-TV
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Topic: Gleaner on RFD-TV
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Subject: Gleaner on RFD-TV
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 4:56pm
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Anybody watch the hour long Gleaner show Monday night on RFD-TV live? I was disappointed in this episode. They did not really talk much about the combine. The tour of the Hesston plant was very minimal to say the least. The group of "ENGINEERS" looked bored and just waiting for "5 o'clock and happy hour. The 4 dealer reps. in that BIG auditorium was way out of proportion as well. I couldn't help thinking it was the same auditorium that JD and CaseIH used and totally filled it with dealers but this is all Gleaner has. It's just not the same since Kevin is gone.
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Posted By: 45 turboa-
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 6:08pm
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I missed it. Kevin was a big push for gleaner ! People are missing out on the best combines ever made !!!
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Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 6:18pm
Missed it also. Kevin will be hard to replace.
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Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires!
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Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 8:18pm
He is the reason Gleaner is where they are today. Very intelligent man and loved his job at making Gleaner a leader. I fear the worst now that he isn’t there to make sure Gleaner stayed out front.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 10:32pm
I wasnt able to see it, would liked to of. As i told one of the agco gleaner guys at the western farm show this year, gleaners future is the color they are painting them, grey. A brand that had been simple, easy to work on, and completly different had finally followed what all the other companies do when the S9's were introduced such as cab and technology added in it. There was nothing wrong with the overhead display that show combine function/problems, it was a simple system that has work in one variation or another for 40+ years. I run other color combines everyday that show stupid messages saying about one thing or another. The more technology that gets added to a machine, the more complex it become, it doesnt simply anything. I asked the gleaner guy what happens when the electronic hydro fails and the the machine is not able to be moved, didnt get an answer. Its sad to say that my generation wants to push a button to fix a problem, instead of using their brain to solve it.
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8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more!
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 6:33am
I probably told this one before but my neighbor, and I mean neighbor right across the line fence, was combining corn back in 2011 next to my field. I was combining with my L2 and he had a brand new Deere. He was going along good but then I noticed he was no where to be seen. Later on a couple of Deere service trucks showed up. I never got to see the combine but what had happened was something went wrong with his auto steer and because everything from the throttle to the gear shift and hydro handle to the key switch, everything was electronic and run through the computer. Remember when..... I think it was Toyota, had cars that would stop and even sped up and they ended up crashing at speeds over 100 mph. I thought, why didn't the guy bump the shifter into neutral or shut off the key switch? Well I don't know the full story on the car problem but I suspect it was all computer run and no way to shut off anything....... Anyhow back to the new Deere combine. That's what happened to this combine. He couldn't shut it off, couldn't even stop the hydro or slow the throttle or steer the combine. It just went straight into a fairly steep waterway and plowed into the side of it. Destroying the corn head and twisting the frame of the combine which totaled it all out. Fluke incident, yes, but I'll take the simplicity of the older Gleaners any day.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 6:51am
Daehler,
Times have changed how do expect compete if they don't progress? How many guys that buy new combines will give up the technology? The red and green ones can change settings from corn to beans with the push of a couple buttons and have single point hook up on the heads Gleaner had to change with the times. The difference between the '92 R52 we had to the '01 R62 is noticeable they fixed some week links. I know the old timers on here hate change but the combine buyers today want different things than 40 years ago. I agree the electronic bs can be a issue but it's a sign of the time. Thank the democrats for the pollution bs.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 3:00pm
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I can understand the concern with additional electronics on the new machines BUT it is what is in demand from the customers buying the new machines. We are to a point on these large machines that to be competitive and be able to get machines sold to Progressive farms we need technology. We try to do several demos with the NEW combines each fall, last year we had a S97 in the field with a JD S680 and mechanically we were competitive. Customer WOULD not even let us price him a machine because he did not like his controls as well as JD. We demoed a New MF combine 3 years ago to a CIH Customer, his only fault he could find is the header lift switch is backwards from his Case. These are a couple examples of the DEMANDS of todays customers, not all are this picky on controls but I spend more time on selling combines discussing the technology options (Yield Monitors, Mapping, Steering Systems) than I do discussing the rest of the machines. Gleaner is still focused on having a simple machine but we can not ignore the electronic system altogether.
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Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 10:10pm
Im not saying that all the updates are bad that they have done over the years, they have made major improvements provements in many areas. It would just be nice if they would provide a less electronified machine for the guys who didnt want it.
Dale, i wish we had a dealer like you who would do gleaner demos. Ziegler brought a 740tt claas to demo for my boss in two years ago, a factory reman used one showed up 6 months later. Been asking the salesman since to get a gleaner to go against it, i get laughed at. They wont even try even though its been okayed by the boss(former all orange guy). Thats how good of sales department we have.
Gleaner has always been ahead of every other brand, there are some flaws as with all others but they have had the best ideas if the Agco would of pushed the brand more sooner. What i see is instead of being a leader they are just following suit with the new fendt cabs. I dont think its really about whats in demand here, its about whats in demand the rest of the world. I believe in this brand, i just about eat sleep and dream about it. I hate to see what could possibly take place, like what happened with the Agco tractors.
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8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more!
"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!"
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 10:18pm
Considering the cost of a new machine, I guess customers want all the bells and whistles, I wonder how many of those Russian made combines Versatile sells are in the field. Personally, I doubt at my age I'll be buying any new tractors, partially because of all the electronics on the new ones. If I need to replace something, I'll go with one made in the last 20 years but with low hours.
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Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2017 at 8:03am
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Daehler unfortunately AGCO management kind of forgot about Gleaner after the R5 series came out in 2003 for a few years, luckily Kevin was able to get them motivated again coming with the super series in 2011. I feel the current management and engineering group are doing a great job in progressing with the design. We are also a Versatile dealer also, they brought the combine to Ohio Farm Science review the first year it was here for display only. I had a couple customers just sit in the cab, it is very simple but also small. Talking to the Versatile Company people at that show most that looked at it could not get past the lack of comfort in the cab. There are some mechanical features on the machine that are interesting and it looks to be well built. Since then they have not had a Versatile combine in Ohio that I know of.
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2017 at 10:29am
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All the new technology/electronics don't come free. They have to add considerable cost to any machine. However ALL farm commodity prices have nowhere near kept up with increased costs of machinery and never will with the global market of today and down the road. I'm sure even mechanically savvy farmers struggle with fixing anything involving computer/electronics on new tractors and combines. So maybe the farmer of the future goes as this:gradute high school,4 yrs. of college with a degree in Ag/plant science/entomology then a couple yrs. of diesel training then computer/electronics training. Then maybe you can move back to the farm and find a bank willing to loan you about a million to get started and enjoy life raising $3 corn.
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Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2017 at 7:11pm
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How many of you folks know people who run John Deere or Case IH combines today that tell you my granddad, or dad used to run gleaners and liked them but changed because are dealer closed or I just don't have faith in the company anymore since Allis Chalmers folded? Gleaner has a negative image problem. Could that be changed ? I think so with better management And understanding from the very top of the company down. Be very aggressive in marketing and promotion might help. Be very willing to go head to head with the other guys. Never turn the opportunity down. Put on and sponsor in field clinics more often. Advertise the heck out of them so every time a person turns around they hear about Gleaner. Fully embrace the heritage of the Gleaner something AGCO is not real good at . And reassure the farming public that Gleaner is hear to stay for as long as they want to use them beyond a doubt. Use the new technology where needed but keep the machine as simple as possible. Why is it that when you drive through the wheat belt during harvest you will probably see more Gleaner L,L2, or L3 combines still running then other brand machines of that vintage ? Because they were dependable. Run with that legacy. And yeah I did watch the show.
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