Grinding feed with sears and roebuck hammer mill
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Topic: Grinding feed with sears and roebuck hammer mill
Posted By: Sandknob
Subject: Grinding feed with sears and roebuck hammer mill
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 5:03pm
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Got the old hammer mill out and ground some ear corn up for a little chicken feed Old WD runs it pretty good. Picked up this mill from Den Stork and the belt for it from his buddy Vernon. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1466468006802526&id=100003180221607" rel="nofollow - Grinding feed video |
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 7:10pm
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We, my dad, raised a lot of chickens, back in the 40's, 50's, & 60's. We always had the ear corn shelled before it was ground for the chickens. For our dairy cows it was ground on the cob. The cows required more bulk in their grain. Dusty Good to see old equipment working, especially the Allis.
------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 7:21pm
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When I was growing up, we had several things that ran with a flat belt. I have never seen a belt ran without a "half twist". All the Amish around us run the belt with a half twist. Now I see you running without? Any one know the reason?
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Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 7:25pm
| we flipped the belt too, but I think it was to only make sure the rotation was correct |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 7:29pm
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Awesome to see! Glad you're getting the young'un involved! I have 2 old hammer mills out at the farm. I forget what brand they are, but it's an oddball brand made in Kansas I think. I've never seen any others of that brand. Unfortunately, mine have all had pieces stolen off them. both are missing the the big pipe, and one is missing the dust collector. I'm pretty sure my grandpa stole the dust collector off the one, but that's another story. I'd love to get a new pipe and get one of them running. I think my B would run it, at reduced capacity. Where can you get those belts like you are using to drive the mill? I have an old tattered one, but it's very twisted up and stiff from sitting in a barn for decades. I wouldn't really want to try and use it. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:14pm
We had a Gehl PTO grinder, 15" wide screen, 5/16 hole screen. Had 1 shoveling and grand-dad standing at the grinder, to meter the ear corn in. Used that feed, fer cows, pigs and chickens. I bought a 1"screen in the early '80's, made that nasty job a little easier. Hated grindin corn, in hot weather, or when it was new (wet) corn... Still have that grinder, Man, it could make the D-19 diesel SNORT!
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Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:15pm
| Running with a twist tends to dampen out oscillations of the belt, is what I heard. |
Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:29pm
| So does it say Sears on it? Or is it a David Bradley which was sold by Sears? I remember Dad having a David Bradley hammer mill that we ground corn feed with in for the calves and his horses. We ran it with my WD. We would grind the corn and bag it then oats and barley. We would dump two bags of corn on the barn floor and then one bag each of oats and barley and add some mineral then reshoveled the pile and then bagged it up. I sure was happy when we got a grinder mixer. Tom |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:38pm
| We used to have a hammer mill just like that one. If you didn't put a twist in the belt it would spin the wrong direction. I often wonder why the manufacturer didn't design it to rotate the other way. I believe a man could use a belt off a hay roller. I've never tried it, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. |
Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:54pm
| The belt should be coming in from the other side of the grinder, and using a twist, but i could not get the belt to stay on correctly, so I settled for this |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 8:57pm
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The ONLY reason for the twist in the belt is to turn whatever piece of machinery in the CORRECT direction. NO twist, it ran clockwise  TWIST in the belt, it ran counter-clockwise.  It's as simple as that...  think about it.....   ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Steve Zidlicky
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 9:44pm
| Sandknob, if you will align the tractor correctly the belt will stay on and it is easier done twisted. you need to have that hooked up properly for safety reasons. that means not along the feed chute. The machinery was designed to be ran off of a twisted belt, not to just change the direction of rotation |
Posted By: Sandknob
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 10:04pm
| I tried about every combo i could think of. No dice. Any tips on getting it aligned correctly? |
Posted By: Steve Zidlicky
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 10:50pm
| mainly you have to have the tractor with the belt running parallel with it and adjust the rear end of the tractor left or right until the belt stays on. turn the belt by hand to see which way it wants to travel towards the inside of pulley or off the outside of pulley then move either whole tractor side ways or just the front end left if the belt too close to tractor or right if the belt is wanting to come off tractor. If the belt wants to come off the pulley on grinder move tractor side ways to correct it. Do Not run the belt too tight. It needs a little sway to it depending on the length. just tight enough so it does not sway when running. if you have trouble with it slipping on the pulleys apply a small amount of belt dressing instead of getting it too tight. with patience and practice you can do it. I learned how when in grade school so I know you can do it. If you want more help pm me. I don't watch regularly but it should go to my email. then I will call |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 12:05am
| depending on what we were running, the elevator the belt ran straight, the sheller ran straight and the grinder had a twist. I remember grinding a lot of ear corn the morning after us boys came home late from about an all nighter! didn't matter if we ground a load the day before, if we came home late with alcohol on our breath, we ground ear corn that next morning! every once and awhile he'd (dad) would walk by and throw a wet slice of hay in it...which would plug it TIGHT and throw the belt off. then it was dismantle and in-slug it! never dawned on us until after dad was gone, why he made us do that! at the time we was to busy trying not to die than to think bouts anything! |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 4:01am
| What Ted said. A twist reverses the direction, pure and simple. The hammers may work when turned in either direction, but the blower won't. As for belts that won't stay on, it can be a bear getting them aligned. The pulleys have to line up on the two axis. If the belt starts to "travel" across the pulley as the load increases it's usually because the two pulleys aren't quite parallel to each other. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 6:02am
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I was at a show once where there was a machine being run with a flat belt that had a twist in one end, so it was wrong side out on one end. Don't remember which end, driver or driven. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 6:10am
| Someone probably wasn't paying attention when they laced the two ends together after a repair. I don't see any advantage to doing that. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 11:59am
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I shoveled a lot of ear corn into I believe a Montgomery Wards hammermill when I was young. Pretty sure that is where a lot of my hearing went. The constant ringing in my ears started about that time. |
Posted By: bauerd44
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 1:11pm
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I have used my CA on a Burr Mill, and I did not have to twist the belt. Likewise on the buck saw. But I had to twist the belt on the WD-45 so I got the correct rotation of the saw or mill. Belt pulley on the back turn different then one on the side of the engine. Dale ------------- Missouri Allis-Chalmers Club CA Allis, 175 Allis, 185 Allis |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 3:25pm
| We used a Case hammer mill. Ground a 1000 bushel bin 1\2 full of ear corn, I think it was once every 2 weeks but am not sure. Hadn't thought about it in years. I always got stuck in the bin shoveling away from the mill. I remember spending 25 cents for a pair of goggles 1 day. Pa had a fit, didn't think I needed them. I should a bought a dust mask too. Ran it with the WD45 we have. Case mill was perminately staked down in front of the bin untill one day when one of the hammers broke off the main shaft. Younger brother said it jumped higher than the bin and went whirling across the lot. All I know is the downspout disappeared from the doorway of the bin very quickly |
Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 6:17pm
Mike, we had a Montgomery-Wards hammer mill too. Ground corn for cows every Sat am. The D17 Diesel handled it well. We had always left a drawbar pin on top of the tongue; rather than always having to scare one up. One time when I was hooking up the MW grinder, couldn't find the darn pin..... looked all over. Grabbed a bolt from the shop and got it hooked up. Put the PTO in gear and throttled up. Less than a minute later, a gawdawful noise from the grinder. "Someone" had left the pin on the apron belt. Was scared to have to tell Dad what happened, but finally did. He didn't say much. He went to Sioux City and got all new hammers as most of them got broken. After a while, I got to thinking.... HE left the pin on the apron. |
IBWD MIke wrote:Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 6:37pm
THAT'S IT!!!! That's what my hammer mills are....Says "MW Grinder" on the tag. Now I feel super dumb...I never could figure out "MW" was Montgomery Ward, even though almost everything at that farm came from the Montgomery Ward catalog. Wow....now I feel really ignorant. Mine sounds older than yours....It was stationary mounted and belt driven (By a Ford 8N, no less). No apron belt, just gravity feed with an adjustable gate. Everything is free on the better of the pair, so hopefully I can get it operating. I'd just like to grind some corn to experience how it was done...and give the B a workout on the belt.
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 6:40pm
Why not turn the tractor around? ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 12:26am
| I've still got 2 of them wagon hoists that are driven by belt. runs a hyd pump to lift the wagons up to dump. I should sell them before the stockholders see them and send them to a scraper |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 4:15am
The tractor would have been parked inside the silo in our case, if we turned it around. It would have been in the barn if we turned it around for the hammermill. |
Posted By: Steve Zidlicky
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 4:27am
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we have a 10 inch monkey ward. I grew up shoveling a lot of stuff thru that thing. It is bolted down to a concrete floor inside a grainery. Creston if yours is a 10 inch be careful as the B will not handle running a large volume thru it. We used a m farmall, ca and D15. I would like to find a parts mill to repair it as the main shaft and pulley are worn and I cannot get the pulley of to repair shaft and replace the bearings. I would like to run it a little for old times sake. I would also like to find a smaller stationary roller mill. Mine got stolen. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 5:31am
| Screen size makes a difference. With a large screen and only running kernels through it, you probably can feed it fairly fast if driving it with a C. Corn on the cob and ground finer for cows will make a C snort very quickly. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 5:51am
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 5:54am
Think about that for a minute,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what would you do with the rear axle, which would be in the way. And Ted is 100% correct!!!!!
------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 6:09am
| Maybe you could turn the tractor upside-down? :) |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 7:08am
Lol, just make sure you can get fuel to the carb! I wonder what ACman 220 has to say about that?
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Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 10:27am
Plausible explanation... Giant Möbius strips were once used as conveyor belts (to make them last longer, since each “side” of the strip of material gets the same amount of wear), but nowadays, better materials are available, so this isn't necessary. They were also used as continuous-loop recording tapes (to double the playing time). |