What Grader Make Is This?
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Topic: What Grader Make Is This?
Posted By: Hartman-52
Subject: What Grader Make Is This?
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 8:29pm
I have been searching the internet trying to identify this brand of grader but can't find another one that looks like it for identification. Could it be an Allis Chalmers? Can someone please identify what make/manufacturer and possible model this grader might be. I think it has a diesel engine. Any idea of the approximate year and value? |
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 8:48pm
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don't look like Allis......... motor might have a name on the side or valve cover ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 9:07pm
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It looks like it has an IHC Grill and only one rear axle so I would guess Austin Western. or Awful Western for those who had to run or work on them. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 9:52pm
Thanks for the reply. The Austin Western looks close but when I Google for pics, every one of their 2 wheel drive graders have a very sloped rear frame section under the cab that connects to the forward frame. It's a stumped. It is located in Canada so I would assume e it must be made in Canada or USA and not Europe or elsewhere. |
JohnCO wrote:Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 9:53pm
Thanks for the reply. The Austin Western looks close but when I Google for pics, every one of their 2 wheel drive graders have a very sloped rear frame section under the cab that connects to the forward frame. It's a stumper. It is located in Canada so I would assume it must be made in Canada or USA and not Europe or elsewhere. |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2017 at 9:55pm
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X2 on Austin Western. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 3:43am
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Here is a link to some Austin Western info: Gary http://www.vannattabros.com/road10.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.vannattabros.com/road10.html |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 5:52am
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Later Adams also used a rounded radiator grill - has to be in mid 50's with the hyd blade depth control pistons on the turn circle ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 6:18pm
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look at the FRAME in the photo.. It runs horizontal toward the cab, then drops 2 ft, and runs horizontal under the CAB to the motor...... MOST Austin, Allis, Cat units have a frame that is U shaped being low at both axles and humped in the middle as Hartman said. Normally the front of the cab is cut to go OVER the FRAME. Have not seen a frame quite like this... especially in singe rear axle. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 10:03pm
Thanks Steve. You are spot on with the unusual frame. I can't find a single grader that matches this one and it's driving me nuts to solve this riddle. I looked at hundreds of pics of every likely make like Allis, Western, Galion, Cat, etc but no luck. My friend saw it in another town about 100 miles from me with a for sale sign but only took this one pic. I am looking for a small grader like this but before I drive all the way out there I would like to get more info on it. He thought it was a diesel with the extra gas motor to start it. Any pros or cons with that and how about the single axle? My use for it would be for grading very sandy ATV bush trails so pretty easy pushing/levelling. Maybe the single rear axle is good for tighter frequent turns and curves? |
Posted By: Ferdinand
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 10:06pm
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Could it be an AW with a Cat re-engine? No telling what happens to machines and cars over the years. ------------- Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it. Mathew 7:14 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 10:15pm
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I think you need the owners phone number........ beside the manufacturer, you need to know the condition and $$. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2017 at 11:04pm
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If it's the original IH engine, it could be one of those with a carb on one side and diesel injectors on the other. I just guessed A-W, because of the IH engine and single rear axle. Adams was another guess. Maybe it's a one off built of odds and ends? ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2017 at 12:07pm
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I am thinking that it might be a Champion grader. They were one of the first to use hydraulics on the blade and circle turning system. Champions were made in Canada. The various graders used a variety of engine manufacturers over the years. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: ACman 220
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2017 at 2:22pm
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Can't be 100 percent shure but I think it is a Galion 503. ------------- |
Posted By: ACman 220
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2017 at 2:31pm
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On second look I think not galions dipped down in front of cab. ------------- |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2017 at 4:11pm
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IIRC 503 is tandem rear |
Posted By: ACman 220
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2017 at 4:21pm
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Yes I looked at it for several minutes and did not even see it is single,must need new glasses. Your right Ian its got to be odd ball. ------------- |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 4:36am
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Being in Canada Aveling Barford and Blaw-Knox are might-be's. But I can't see any pictures that vote for either Champion was using hydraulics around 1936 but none look like it either that I saw |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 9:43am
| Our county road dept had some single axle graders one time .they used them for grading the gravel roads .From what I heard they were a real pain because they were bad about hitting a low spot and putting dips in the road. I guess they auctioned all those off along with some old army trucks .They had I think 4 hd11 dozers the old b models from the 50s and a couple hd6s . seems every time they have an auction nobody knew about it so I figure its a buddy thing and the county judge gets a chunk of cash . |
Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 1:49pm
I am hoping to find out more about it this weekend if my friend gets back to where it is. I looked at hundreds of pics and can't find one from any make that looks like it. I need to solve this mystery.  It's a perfect size for me to use with our ATV club to grader our trails which are all sandy and get lots of bumps regularly.
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 2:15pm
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So with this wheel arrangement you should be able to make a accordion bumps easily - 2 axle units just seem to have problems making a smooth surface ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DonBC
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 3:50pm
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Yeah, tandems reduce the vertical movement at the rear by 50%. Single axle should work fine for ATV trails. ------------- Jack of all trades, master of none |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 3:56pm
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If you have the name of the town where it's located you should google the name and initials painted on there. If it's a smaller type of community they may be able to get you the right leads even if you reach a relative or wrong number of sorts... some people are very helpful once they clue in someone is not into a scam. ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 2:34pm
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All Aveling Barford (British Austin Western) models I know of have humped continuous frames end to end with no step in them like that. Tried to access pictures of earlier Dominion Road Machinery (Champion) machines. Could not see any matches. |
Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 11:17pm
| The identification of the mystery grader has been solved. I was finally able to track down the owner and he told me it was made by Motor Coach Industries who may be the same company currently still in business and are a major highway and city transit bus manufacturer located in Winnipeg, Canada. I can't find any internet literature on this yet but that would explain why the grader was so hard to identify. It is apparently a 1960's vintage and is in great shape with full hydraulics, tilting front wheels, power circle and power steering. It has an IH gas starting diesel engine believed to be a WD6 tractor engine. Any major concerns with this motor besides proper shutdown procedures I've been reading about? I can get this grader for a very good price so I think I am going to snap it up. Thank you to all who tried to help me solve this mystery. I will post additional pics and info when I go to see it in the next few days. I would like to do a full resto paint job and get her looking like new. I'm sure I will have many questions from this wonderful knowledge base forum. Oops.....sorry I forgot this is an Allis Chalmers forum. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 12:50am
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Glad you found an answer to your question, and educated us at the same time. Thanks! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 2:02pm
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Thanks for the update. As for the gas start IH diesel they have a head that is easy to crack. But if it is good now and you treat it with care it will last. Take great care to not over heat it and always let it idle to cool down,hopeful it will treat you well.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 3:07pm
| Yes, they bought old Flexible Bus company in Loudonville, OH but then after about ten years closed it and moved away. While in Loudonville it was used to recondition buses or do repairs and a parts house. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 4:08pm
| If that engine gives you problems you should be able to put a streight gas engine out of a Farmall M tractor. For your limited use a gas outfit would work ok I would think. |
Posted By: Hartman-52
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 3:18am
Great tip thanks! Do you think that would be a direct bolt in from the diesel to a gasser or would there be motor mount mods and/or transmission to motor interface issues? |