?Wet Sleeves or Head Gasket? Thoughts?
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Topic: ?Wet Sleeves or Head Gasket? Thoughts?
Posted By: gdtractor
Subject: ?Wet Sleeves or Head Gasket? Thoughts?
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 6:57pm
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Wondering what to do - is putting transmission fluid or some light oil in radiator an option (I know this may be STUPID) but just wondering if it might seal old O rubber O rings on sleeves .. I think I will test first the taking off of pan (draining oil) and then slightly pressurizing the radiator to see if it is the head or sleeves .. . What do you think ? I have been on here so many times about my C engine that I am embarrassed. here are a couple of videos .. I got the head back on and it runs GREAT but leaks water in the crankcase oil ... https://youtu.be/0p3qlJkv2OA" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/0p3qlJkv2OA Z6DzAXU I am assuming I have to pull the pistons out if I replace the o rings in the sleeves - correct?
Gary |
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Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 7:07pm
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Here is what didn't show up in the above post .. thx Gary I have been on here so many times about my C engine that I am embarrassed. I am getting water in my oil . even though the engine runs perfect now .. after cleaning everything and putting it back together . I did not realize at first it had wet sleeves .. never heard of them .. and also .. I pounded the sleeves that came up with the cylinder .. hope I didn't destroy something . here are a couple of videos .. I got the head back on and it runs GREAT but leaks water in the crankcase oil ... did I ruin the sleeves rubber rings? or maybe the head gasket is not sealed . not sure what I should do next . Thanks much ... |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 7:22pm
| I'd lay odds you ruined the rubber rings. Did you replace the head gasket after pulling the head? The first thing you can do is pull the pan and pressurize the cooling system. If the sleeves (or sleeve) leaks you may was well throw a kit into it anyway. Bfore doing that pull the head and look CAREFULLY for any cracks or a bad head gasket. Once partway into an engine you may as well go al the way. |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 7:54pm
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Yes Doug .. I did replace the head gasket .. with a new one. (My first time doing it and torqued the head to 60#'s per manual .. (online manual) ... The ATF idea is stupid right? n (ha) ... Thanks Gary
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 5:54am
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Did you check the frost plugs in the head? They are known to rust out and allow ant-freeze in the coolant. Search on this forum for more info. I hope that's your problem (much easier and less expensive than the alternatives).
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 6:07am
| Pull the pan off (simple job) If you have bad O-rings you will see antifreeze/water drip from bottom of offending sleeve or sleeves. Leave over night with cardboard on floor no need to pressurize in my experiance. If all you need to do is replace O-rings you can remove sleeves with piston and rod in them. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 6:15am
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Hold the phone......If you had a sleeve come up out of the block when you were working on the engine, and all you did was "pound it back down" not knowing the history of this issue, my money is on damaged o-rings on the sleeve. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 8:26am
I'm with you Anthony on the O-rings are cut, I watched his video of the sleeve moving up as the engine was turning and the sleeve getting driven back down with a hammer, it made the hair stand up on the back of my head.   ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Orange Blood wrote:Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 8:45am
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Maybe you could get by just replacing the one sleeves O-rings but if it were me I would do them all because with my luck a different one would start leaking a month after I had it back together. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 9:06am
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I agree. Pull the pan, and look at the bottoms of the cylinders. My money is on the O rings: http://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2_43_57&products_id=152" rel="nofollow - http://oktractor.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2_43_57&products_id=152 ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 9:22am
| I remember that video from last winter and I remember us making the same comments then about the orings. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 9:50am
| ....yes! the oil swelling oring idea is BAD!!!! |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 9:54am
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Yes .. I did .. they had oil in them .. so I "assumed" they were fine . . (meaning .. oil was staying in them and not leaking through I figure there were no holes .. ) thanks so much - Gary
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Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 9:59am
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Okay .. I will do that FIRST!! thanks so much .. I have never taken a piston or rod out before . but I am assuming I will need new rod bearings when I put it back together - if I have to take it apart .. the tappet cover is off now.... (?) Thanks much ..
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Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:03am
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No on the bearings. Just keep track of direction and only do 1 cylinder at a time. You will need a pan gasket though. ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:04am
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Thanks Orange Blood .. I didn't even know it had wet sleeves when I took the head off to get everything soaked in oil and atf .. etc .. and yes . I did pound the sleeve back down . I am going to do the "pulling the pan" thing first to see if the sleeves are leaking water .. and then .. follow up with the rest . thanks much
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Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:18am
| yeah .. I may do that .. if it is the sleeve .. thanks much |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:19am
| Thanks |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:22am
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Thanks Dave .. yes .. I had help from here getting it apart . :) ... Sounds like it is the O ring or rings .. Going to do the "drip on cardboard" test first . .. then examine the head for cracks .. etc .. thanks again . Gary
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Posted By: GregLawlerMinn
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:44am
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When you have the sleeve/piston out, use a dremel with a wire brush to clean up the O-ring groves (block and sleeves) and their tapers in the block and the "lip" on the block that the sleeve drops into. "Dry fit the sleeve (no O rings) into the hole, it should drop in nicely. Then apply the 0-ring lubricant to the O-rings (and groves/tapers) and install the O-rings on the sleeves, relube as needed. There are 2 kinds of O-ring materials; one resistant to oil and one resistant to antifreeze; install them in the proper places on the sleeve (Oil resistant on top and Antifreeze resistant on bottom). I have used Olive oil successfully as the lubricant, altho there are commercially available lube available from the vendors. Drop the sleeves in and press the in place by hand; a piece of wood over the top of the sleeve may be useful to apply the pressure evenly. Patience and persistence is in order here. ------------- What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC |
Posted By: gdtractor
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 10:51am
| Thanks much .. great info .. I really appreciate it !!!! Gary |
Posted By: im4racin
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 12:00pm
| um...it is getting oil in radiator? that's what the original post said!!! that will only happen when coolant is at a lower pressure than the oil. check the oil cooler or for a crack in a casting where oil and coolant near each other |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 8:48pm
Actually you are reading it incorrectly. He is asking if putting some light oil in the radiator might help. The second post kinda clarifies, he is getting water in the oil pan. Also as a side note, these tractors don't have oil coolers, but if they did, and oil really was getting into the water, your thought would be spot on!!! ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |