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Topic: Difference Between
Posted By: Ted J
Subject: Difference Between
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 1:17pm
Hyd/Trans FLUID
and
Hyd/Trans OIL
????
I know I've used Universal Hyd/Trans Fluid in everything in my tractors (except the engine and finals) BUT, I bought some Hyd/Trans OIL .........

CAM2 PROMAX™ Tractor Hydraulic 303 Oil 5 Gallon
instead of
Blain's Farm & Fleet Universal Hydraulic Tractor Fluid

Now I have 5 buckets of the 303 and am wondering what to do with it?
Is it the same as the fluid??  I'm at a loss.


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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 2:17pm
Same stuff.

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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 5:23pm
303 is the spec number for universial tractor hydraulic fluid. Any oil with the 303 spec is compatible and can be used together.


Posted By: KenBWisc
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 6:54pm
Ted, Although I'm not questioning the learned responses above, I wouldn't risk it. Best if you dropped all of your fluid off at my place and buy new. That way, you have no risk!


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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 11:39pm
is 303 for wet brake?I didn't think so.


Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:13am
Farm & Fleet universal oil is what I use... Thought I had made a good deal on 303 Tractor Supply oil, we use to use 303 in the 170 from DX and Texaco and it never caused a problem back then, but this Tractor Supply oil gets real thick real fast in the winter and the loader didn't want to drop, so changed the oil out to F&F oil and life was better... and had to remove the 303 out of the 610 Bobcat too or it would not suck it up until it was warmed up.
  Now I dump that 303 into the older tractors that get used only in the summer time.

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Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 7:48am
Yes 303 is for wet brakes. It is the oil used in all Deere 10-20-30-40-50 series tractors built from 1960 on. I think I read somewhere that Deere was the developer of it to use in the trans,final drives,brakes steering ect of the 3010-4010 tractor. Tom


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 7:42pm
303 or Universal Tractor fluid or UTF is GREAT STUFF for older equipment. It was designed by JOHN DEERE in the 1970s for their tractors. Since then they have UPGRADED the oil 3-4 times to a newer spec.  MANY sell the older 303 as it is GREAT in most equipment... That being said, it was NOT designed to use in high pressure / high volumn/ close tolerance system like a Skid Steer or new Excavator ........ a 40 year old backhoe would do fine......... below is a cut and paste about 303
 

303 Tractor Fluid:
Problems Offset Upfront Savings

Consider less-than-optimal efficiency and long-term equipment damage before buying this outdated product.

Despite the fact that John Deere dropped its 303 specification in the 1970s, tractor hydraulic fluid (THF) sold as 303 THF is still on the market and is promoted for its cost-saving advantage. It’s often sold in 5-gallon containers.

While it’s true that 303 might cost less than high-performance THF blended to current specifications, that savings can be offset quickly by lower productivity and repair costs. 303 THF is inferior for use in modern farm equipment, can cause more frequent breakdowns, and requires more maintenance work, all of which cuts into productive farming time. Over the long term, 303 THF increases wear and can shorten the life of a tractor.

Here are some facts about what you are putting into your machinery when using a 303 THF:

  • The John Deere specification has evolved from 303 to J14B to J20A, which was then upgraded to the current specification — J20C. A 303 THF will not meet current tractor OEM fluid requirements.
  • The manufacturers of 303 THF typically use a low-cost, heavier base oil to thicken the fluid and do not use a viscosity modifier (VM). On the other hand, high-performance THF manufacturers add a VM, which is a more effective method for controlling fluid thickness. If your fluid does not have a VM in the formulation, it could be inconsistent and be too thick or too thin to flow in modern equipment. The result is poor lubrication, which contributes to wear, brake chatter, hydraulic pump starvation and inadequate flow at cold temperatures.
  • High-performance THFs blended to current specifications have oxidation-protection properties that keep parts cleaner and provide better overall performance. 303 THF can oxidize due to the oxidative properties of poorer base oils that are used. Oxidation will reduce the performance and shorten the life of a tractor by causing the formation of deposits and sludge.
  • Because it breaks down more, 303 THF has shorter drain intervals and needs to be drained and replaced more often than high-performance THFs.
  • THFs produced to current specifications improve operator safety and comfort by improving brake performance. They interact with friction materials better than 303 THFs, and optimal friction improves braking performance and reduces brake chatter.
  • 303 THFs are not formulated to prevent water contamination, which can cause erosion and corrosion, i.e., sluggish performance and hydraulic pump failure.
  • Bargain fluids don’t perform as well in cold temperatures as high-performance THFs. This is another downside that cuts into productivity. Higher-quality fluids are formulated for superior performance in temperatures below freezing, providing instant lubrication.

Every farmer is concerned with the bottom line, but it doesn’t pay off when productivity takes a hit and expensive equipment is damaged.

Consider this the real bottom line on 303 THFs: They may have worked well 30 years ago with old equipment, but as the hardware evolves (higher loading, higher temperatures) and power densities increase, the demand on lubricant performance is increasing as well. Using the proper fluid — high performance and designed for current specifications — is critical to the life of your tractor and the productivity of your farm.



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Posted By: Hockeygoon
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 8:43am
303 is a cheap trans hydraulic fluid that John Deere developed BEFORE the their powershift transmissions - it was the first step up from 90W gear oil.  It was dropped in the early 1970s and replaced by Hyguard.  It is a decent trans hydraulic oil for tractors with a nonsynchronized transmission but  I would never use it in anything with a powershift or hydrostat.  Some people say its fine to use in a synchronized transmission but I have no first hand experience with that.   We use it in construction equipment as hydraulic fluid only. 
Think about it, the absolute cheapest motor oil you can buy today (if you look long and hard for some 30W non detergent) is about $2.00 a quart the 303 trans hydraulic fluid can be readily found $1.00 a quart - how much for additives can it possibly have?    



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