Options for Gemmer steering gear box on a C
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Topic: Options for Gemmer steering gear box on a C
Posted By: pirlbeck
Subject: Options for Gemmer steering gear box on a C
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 8:49am
I have a customers C sitting here that steers very hard. It appears that the Gemmer steering gear box is where the problem is at. I tried to do a search on this site and I get this message.500 - Internal server error.There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be displayed.Anyway, I know getting bearings for these boxes can be a problem and the worm gear wears to the point that it may not work any better after a rebuild. It seems like years ago someone locally adapted a manual Chevy LUV steering box to his C. Anyone know about this or any other options? Thanks!
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Posted By: davh
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 9:15am
| Been looking at options also. Have a B with a loader and it needs help to steer if I can change it. Several have good ideas on this site and am sure they will respond. I am looking at a power steering unit from an older Chev trk. Some adapting necessary. Not sure the pump will work with the loader but if that's not an issue for you maybe a possible fix. |
Posted By: pirlbeck
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 10:43am
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I have talked to 2 different people this morning that have adapted 1970's Chevy LUV steering gear boxes to their C. Both of these guys are local to this area and the 2nd one to do it heard about it from the first one. It sounds like it was a pretty easy change over and it made the tractor steer very easy. It seems like from reading on here that the box from a B to a C is different.....that the steering arms moves in opposite directions, so if this is correct it will not work on a B. Now to find a reasonably priced used box. Any one have an old LUV sitting around?
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Posted By: davh
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 11:28am
| Was the Luv power steering? |
Posted By: pirlbeck
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 11:46am
No manual, but both guys said it steered so much easier it was like adding power steering. One guy said they mowed 11 acres with it and you could not use a spinner knob until after the change over.
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davh wrote:Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 11:50am
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tons of C's out there for salvage, would be easy to get a correct steering box instead of fabbing something up ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: davh
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 12:39pm
| Probably easier to find and old Izusu steering box, they made the Luv for GM. should be the same. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 1:25pm
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There were Willys jeeps that had identical Ross steering boxes as the B. I think many of the parts were interchangeable. Not sure if they used Gemmer in the Jeeps or not. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 1:48pm
| I've always thought a person could fab up a 60's model Ford or others that used a P.S. slave cylinder and graft it to the tie rod somewhere in the middle, and anchor it to the frame. Then mount the pump, run the hoses from the pump to the slave cylinder and back to reservoir to pump. G.M. had one that ran off the back of the genny, but there might not be enough room to put it between the carb. and intake, so you would have to mount the pump separate from the rest. The cylinder on one end has a little internal valve that moves back and forth that directs the P.S. fluid so that when you turn the steering wheel you get steering assistance either left or right. The problem would be, is finding parts anymore to work with. I think it would get awfully pricey find the parts in a local junk yard yard since so much of the stuff has been sent to China. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 1:50pm
Think you're right I probably have a half dozen around |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 2:02pm
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I used Mylar clad king pin bushings on my 45 (got them at NAPA) and you can't believe how much easier it steered with High temp. slick grease.(You will have to find an experienced parts man that understands what you're up to. And take in your parts so old parts so he'll know what you're up to). Also you can buy the bushings separate from the rest of the kit. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 2:09pm
| Sorry, kinda garbled that one up. P.M. me if any questions. |
Posted By: pirlbeck
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 3:12pm
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OK, I may not need a gear box after all. I pumped the worm gear box and the front pedestal gear box full of corn head grease and it steers much better. I need to replace the steering wheel and the upper shaft bushing that the steering wheel pilots into and I think it will be good enough. Thanks for the help! Pat
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2017 at 3:32pm
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I have some NOS and used parts for the ROSS and GEMMER steering boxes. Some parts for Bs and some parts for Cs. Do you know the part numbers that you need?
------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |