Shouldn't this be warranty? (AGCO red)
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Topic: Shouldn't this be warranty? (AGCO red)
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Subject: Shouldn't this be warranty? (AGCO red)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 8:59am
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I really think my Massey dealer should help stand behind this! After only 45 years the original tires on my Dad's 135 have rotted! They won't hold air long enough to even be able to use it for 5-10 minutes. So this week she's getting 4 brand new tires and tubes, and her first brake job. I grew up on this tractor, my Dad bought it new in 1972, paid extra to have it delivered Mothers Day morning, mom wasn't amused at all! Figured I'd be nice to the tire guy and go ahead and break the beads with the hoe before taking them up to the tire place. Hopefully he will appreciate the gesture! I hate to get rid of tires with good tread but these have more holes and cracks than the government! http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Joecdeere/media/F009A058-5FB0-421E-85E3-FEEAF12B47F8_zpssf3k4sst.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Joecdeere/media/E3DCDE84-1197-4D20-BEEC-4359AB801C39_zpsz0yye3jl.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s33.photobucket.com/user/Joecdeere/media/77cc164b-6f12-4583-8f86-3e630deb5822_zpsfvzxz0m7.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 9:11am
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you are a superb owner to have oem tires avoid the 'good year splits' that usually were fatal after 10 years... - tractors fared a tad better than combines as to the splits...
------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 9:20am
| So i gotta ask, why do these brakes look so simple to access and repair vs. the AC type (i.e. D-series, etc.)? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 9:44am
| that is easy! |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 10:01am
| I was thinking the same thing Stan!! Ryan |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 12:29pm
| The brakes for all the haters of the N series ford are similar Drum brake on the hub at the end of the axle. Can't tell you when they started or always were that way, Fordson? Fergeson? Maybe Creston knows? |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 3:25pm
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That's a pretty good looking massey there Joe. I think they should should still look like that. To me those early 70's masseys and the 60's to 70's IH tractors are some of the best looking ever made. ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 3:27pm
I can't speak for Fordson, but I kinda think they had band brakes like on a U Allis. Don't quote me on that. The drum brakes like what are on that Massey started with the Ford 9N in 1939, and continued for a few decades in Ford, Fergie, and MF tractors. Yes, they are super easy to use, replace, and adjust. Totally unlike the Allis W and D series tractors. Not sure why Allis made them so hard to work on, but if they would've had brakes like the Fords and Masseys, they would've been nearly perfect. (If the had the factory 3pt as an option on a WD45, and the brakes like a Ford, I'd ditch the 8N!) |
DanWi wrote:Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 5:17pm
as long as the axle seal doesn't leak the brakes are great. my 8n only had 1 brake that worked the other axle seal leaked. replaced the seal. less than 2 weeks later it was leaking again. I was coming down the steep road from our upper pasture with the baler hooked to the 8n. Hit the 1 brake that worked and the tractor shot immediately to the right jackknifing the baler and tractor....no worries, my but puckered so tight you couldn't pry me off the seat with a backhoe!!!!! The baler was in the way in the drive way, but it wasn't going back up to the upper pasture!!!------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 7:34pm
| On those 8N's if you'll take a speedy sleeve and reverse it with a bit of silicone the seal will hold. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 9:24pm
| If the AC brakes didn't last so long, that pin would not stick. MACK |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2017 at 10:28pm
That is very true. If they leak, the shoes get soaked and they will just slide. My seals leaked, and I replaced them in 2014, and they haven't leaked since, and I've had "stop on a dime" brakes. The Ford guru I talked to said just be sure to put a thin coat of permatex on most everything, and you'll be good. 8Ns made in 1950, 51, and 52 had 2 axle seals, and as a result, you have to pack the rear wheel bearings. On the 48 and 49 8Ns, the 1 rear axle seal is on the outside of the bearing, so the transmission oil oils the bearing. Pretty handy I think.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 7:33am
Based on the rust and paint fade I doubt how superb he could be. The C that my grandfather had has original paint that looks much better. I'm betting it's not or was not shedded religiously. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2017 at 7:48am
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Could be if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all, not everybody has shed space. And Joe, that is a nice straight Massy. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: nanuk
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 6:24am
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What's a "Shed"??? ------------- AC7060Pd 1975 |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:18am
Have the same brake setup on my Ferguson. Easy as cake.  ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dennis(IA)
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:31am
| Brakes also work much better on a faster turning shaft Like AC, John Deere, IH. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 7:34am
| That's a really nice looking 135. Looks cared for. I always thought those 135's were cool looking tractors and the extra transmission gears are a great upgrade form a Ford. I grew up on a 235 and always thought the 135's had a nice classic look. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 8:50am
| Nanuk...ask Darrell ND what a shed is! |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2017 at 9:05pm
| I was raised on a 65 Massey diesel. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 10:12am
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Joe, Love the mobile bead breaker! LOL! Or, should I say mobile back saver!------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 7:31pm
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Steve, it ended up being both, looped a cable through the rim, used the hoe to swing them off the studs and lay them down. Then broke the beads and swung them up on the trailer with it. Reinstalled them the same way. First time I ever did rear tires and my back didn't hurt! ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 8:07pm
| The MF135 Orchard model has inboard disk brakes instead of outboard drums. |