Early vs. Later 185
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Topic: Early vs. Later 185
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Subject: Early vs. Later 185
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 8:51am
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Started chasing service and clean-up items on a later 1977 185 I picked up. Had a "185 Crop Hustler Ops Manual" in my library (noting delivery receipt of a unit from Brown and Fissler in Holden, MO Sept. 1972) and am using this as a reference. Question I have is what all changed over the years on the 185 units? Remember seeing posts on different IP (injectors?) used starting around 79/80 on all 301's, but what other changes did they make? Unit is straight 540 only and appears to have been taken care of. Starts easily without plugging in or ether as fired it up to feed round bales at 28 degrees day a few weeks ago. Any and all comments appreciated. |
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 10:33am
| Can't tell you much about the changes over the years, but we just bought one from some friends of ours a couple months ago. We love it so far. It is supposedly one of the last ones built. It has hyd pto clutch, and dual pto. It has a dual 340 loader on it, and it has been our main feeding tractor, as payloader has had more break down time than up time. We have it chained up, and a 3 pt bale fork on it. With a bale on the fork, it gets around all right. Keep it plugged in, and it starts good. Hopefully after this winter, the loader can come off of it and stay off. It's too nice of a tractor to have tied up as a loader tractor. It'll probably be a raking tractor this summer, and possibly do some baling also. Darrel |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 11:05am
 I can't help much either with the changes, this was mine, recently sold, built at the end of 1980, Hydraulic PTO, 1000/540, single headlights, two remotes, 1700 hours when I bought it, all original including Dealer stickers and instructions on the block about changing break-in oil. Beautiful tractors to own and operate. Anything below 40 degrees and it really liked being plugged in for about 30 minutes, then she would crank right up, even at 15 below, I don't believe she ever saw ether from what the previous owner told me, and I never gave her any.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 11:10am
| I just checked serial number on ours, and looked up year. Number is 15,571, which makes it 1980 model. Darrel |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 11:25am
Tim, I have have not heard the name of Brown and Eissler for years now, I sent a lot of time in this old AC dealership in Holden Mo. as a kid with my Dad getting parts and looking at all the new tractors that where on the lot riding the school bus by there, they where in-town back in 1972, little dealership but sold a lot of AC stuff out of that little store back them. My shop is bigger then they had in-town, they did move out North of Holden and built a new building and when down in the late 1978 or so. Thanks again. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
TimNearFortWorth wrote:Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 12:08pm
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Don, the 1972 manual shows delivery receipt made out by James H. Brown on Sept. 7, 1972. Address for dealership shows Brown & Fissler Farm Equip. Co., 3011 Market. Buyer is shown as Julius Schmidt, RR Higbee, MO and includes phone number also. I believe most everything will apply to my later unit but am on the lookout for manuals closer to my unit manufacture date. Left a plow for Dave Maddux at JW's sometime back, hopefully it will show up at one of your plow days in-future as I know Dave has some nice iron to pull it with. Did you ever make the 230/262 engine shipping skids? Have parts in MO to pick up and need to get that D17IVD engine to you at some point, may just drag the old girl up as a complete tractor . . . . |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 12:09pm
| Now see it is an E, not F on dealer name; lazy Sunday I guess! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 5:07pm
| Later models (1977? and up) had a deeper oil pan and engine held more oil. Use the dipstick to verify proper engine oil amount. |
Posted By: mark-east-tn
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2017 at 9:59pm
| Ive got a 1981 185 and it has the hydraulic pto and a lot more power then the first one I had several years back. Never had it on a dyno but It sure seems like it more closer to 90 HP then the 74 hp its rated on pto. I had a 190 xt ser. 3 and the 185 will out power it by a lot , I had to role hay with it this fall the 6060 was grunting a lot on some hills with the new to us baler , so we hooked the 185 up to the Vermeer 554 XL baler to finish before rain came . It pulled baler with no problems , seems it would spin baler faster and eat anything in windrow without even a grunt .One of the best tractors Ive got in shed. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:51am
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I can't imagine a non turbo 185 every out doing an XT unless the XT was sick. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: mark-east-tn
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 7:45am
| Well I agree with that , but we now have a early 190 Xt with less then 1000 hours on engine , and there is no comparison between the two . The 185 will still out do the 190 Xt on pulling and pto work . Not sure what's been done to motor but it's right, it will peg tach with less then 3/4 throttle . |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:07am
| There is the possibility the 185 has a single speed 540 PTO, which has the top speed at 680 RPM's. If the 190XT or a 200 has the dual speed 540/1000 PTO, top speed is only 620 RPM's on the 540 side. So, for some PTO work (grinding feed, silage blower, etc), the 185 will look somewhat better when PTO speed is the issue. There's no way a 185 engine without a turbo will ever out HP or out torque an XT, unless the XT isn't producing what it should be. |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:34am
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Don't know much about differences but I have 1981 model, 59 from last one built with 1600 hours, has dual hyd pto, is real nice but I just use it for yard work now. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: D17JIM2
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:46am
| Xt versus 185 ? would have to be one sick XT and a 185 with a turbo. Kinda like a ford 8n versus a WD45. LOL, Maybe not quite that bad. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 11:20am
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Defueled XT..... Redo the pump and get the power back! ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 7:30pm
I'll add that I have a Vermeer 604j which is a higher volume baler than a 554xl, but this year I had one of the hydraulic lines rupture on our 7000. I had to unhook the 7000 and finish baling with our late 79 model 185. Night and day pulling with the 7000 versus the 185. My 7000 would have to be mighty sick for the 185 to outdo it. The 185 is a very gritty tractor, but it sure doesn't have the balls our 7000 does. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: mark-east-tn
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 7:55pm
| I know I shouldn't of said that In post because nobody would believe me , but Ive run both and the 185 sure seems to out power the XT . The xt has new pump and turbo maybe the new pump needs turned up ..... |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 8:25pm
I hear you and believe me, I am a major 185 fan. IMHO, I think it's the best AC model ever made. We have two of them, and no duplicates of other models. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 9:31pm
| Was the pump rebuit or exchanged? It could very well be under fueled. Take both tractors to a local dealer or shop with a dyno and see what they're really putting out. Around here 2 runs on a dyno was only $20 last I checked. |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:16pm
Your 185 and ours probably sat together in the West Allis lot at one time!   |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:19am
| Looks like they may have. Darrel |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:39am
Sounds to me like your 185 is over revving! That will make it feel like it's got more power than it should! Maybe the 190 doesn't have the throttle linkage set right. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: mobill6
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2019 at 3:37pm
| I WORKED FOR JIM AT THE OLD LOCATION IN HOLDEN AND LATER THE NEW BROWN EQUIP CO NORTH OF HOLDEN. I REMEMBER SEEING THE TRACTOR LOADED ON THE TRUCK GOING TO MR. SCHMITT'S FARM. |
Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 7:22am
Could be turned up, my 185 was used by a guy to pull a 6 row no till drill, he had 400 gallon tanks on the planter and 300 gallon tanks on the tractor. Took it to the shop for some minor stuff and he told me it was turning out about 100 hp, so I had him turn it back to about 85. I know a guy down the road who has a 185, put a turbo on it, some duals and pulls a 20' disc with it no problem, have no idea what he has it turned up to. We just bale with ours and use the loader for chores etc.
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Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2019 at 4:52pm
| One I learned the hard way is the PTO manual disconnect lever on the side of the transmission. The coupler is there in the late series but the external lever is not. Hit the pto brake when running wide open and you can pop the coupler. Then you have to remove a cover to slide it back in. |