Got one fixed and then,,,,
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Topic: Got one fixed and then,,,,
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: Got one fixed and then,,,,
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 8:00pm
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something else pops up,,,, I had a thread on my D14 Industrial gettin hot on me and popping a freeze plug in the cylinder head, and dumpin water into the oil. Well,,I finally got part of that problem squared away,,but wound up I had to make a thermostat housing cause I could not find one anywhere, to replace the broken housing. I made this little number using 2 pieces of 3/8" plate steel and machined a register for the Chevy V8 180° thermostat. I used a S/40 1" X 2" concentric reducer and welded it to the top plate. There has to be two plates as the opening in the head is way bigger than the thermostat.   Filled with fresh oil and put a spark in it,,,,and engine started right up and after a bit thermostat opened up and started circulating water,,,,thas good,,,,,but I noticed the oil pressure gauge was settin on 10# and not movin up as the engine used to carry 28# oil pressure at high idle,,,,? I loosened the filter and just a little bit of oil was coming out of riser tube,,,,? oil had a little tint of milk but mostly good oil,,, I raised the filter to bout halfway up riser tube and got good oil pressure, so screwed filter back down,,,but gauge still at 10#,,,,,,WTH,,,,?????? |
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 8:10pm
| besides all that other....nice fix on the T-stat |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 8:11pm
| old style filter uses the filter to raise oil pressure, so the dirtier it gets the higher the pressure is. Its not like a modern filter, like the PH8A that a 15(II) has. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 8:37pm
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Thanks SteveM,,,,  Hey Dave,,,,,when I first fired the 149 up after the rebuild,I installed a new Fram C159 and since the filter did not have that many hours on it,,,I left it in there as I was gonna run the engine for a couple of hours to help clean up some of the milky oil. Then dump that oil and put fresh oil in it along with a new Fram C-159,,,,, I'm really puzzled with the low oil pressure now since it carried lots more before it blew the freeze plug and got a little hot on me,,,???? I use Pennzoil 10W30 both times. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2016 at 9:17pm
| Joe, I think I'd pull an oil sample. JMHO I doubt if you've really hurt your engine, but anti-freeze can hurt bearings pretty quick as you know. An oil sample is cheap ins. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 2:11am
| Pennzoil?????? WTF???? only ones that use that stuff is kids, and that's only cuz they give them stickers to put on their bedroom walls! just as well puts a used filter on it, yer putting used oil in it! PfffffT! |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 2:13am
| oh....and nice job making that housing! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 8:32am
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 9:05am
| Oh, man Joe. Shameless hit you pretty hard there. But then he tells you good job on the tractor Stat housing. The t Stat housing does look good. As for the Pennsylvania crude, oops, I mean the pennzoil, well, .....I ain't saying nuttin. Lol Darrel |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 9:49am
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Chit Darrel,,,I'm just glad he likes me a little ,,,,,,,,can you imagine if he didn't,,,??? chit,, I would have to go to sleep standin up alla the time,,,  Anybody got a clue whats happenin with the lower than normal oil pressure on the D14,,??? Gonna scrounge around ,,see if I got a spare gauge I can try,,,DAMNG I is worried some,,,,, |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 5:58pm
| Maybe try a heavier oil although a ton of guys here are running 10-30. I use 5-40 in my WD45. You could use 15-40 rotella or something like that in your neck of the woods. I use 5-40 for better cold starts up here in the nord. Funny that it would change pressure all of a sudden. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 7:25pm
| Joe, I insist. Do an oil sample test. Or drop the pan and check the last bearing to get oil. You can also lose pressure from the cam bearings. Do something, just don't run it anymore until you find out the problem. Why couldn't you pull the filter, take out the stem and put a master gauge in it's place and see what happens. Haven't done it but seems feasible. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 8:32pm
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Hey Leon,,,I did some experimentin today and did find the i/8" line from filter housing to gauge was air locked or somethin,as oil would just dribble out of the fitting behind oil pressure gauge,,, Disconnected the line at the filter housing and oil shot out of there at a pretty good clip,,so blew the little bitty line out with air and hooked it all back up and oil pressure went to the "O", but used to go to between the R and the M,,,?? I ordered a new gauge thinkin the gauge may be part of problem, I'm goin to drain the 10W30 oil tomorrow and put in some straight 30W OR 10W40 (gasp) Elephant Oil from the Dollar Store to satisfy ole Shameless ( my arse still a little sore) Is the riser tube threaded into the housing,,?? I tried to unscrew it with some channel locks but it would NOT move so i stopped fore I break it off,,,,,???? |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2016 at 8:41pm
| that tube is pressed in the housing,, needs to be good an tight... |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 4:26am
| Joe...do I gots to come down there and kick you in the gona....! why are you putting 10 cent oil ina 3000 dollar engine? would you rather drink clean water or coal oil? |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 4:42am
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Good Mornin Good Buddy,,,,,!!!! Well,,you know,,,I sometimes get accused of bein thrifty,,,er frugal,,,,Ummm,,,,cheap too,,,,,!!! but I was just tryin to use oil to flush out the milky water/oil gook outa the engine 'fore I put some "GOOD" oil like,,,,,,Pennzoil,,,or somethin like that,,,may even try some Havoline,,,,, ('member that?) |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 5:43am
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What's wrong with Shell Rotella? That's better oil pressure than I have on my C, WC and one of my WD45's.....nuthin wrong with that..........You're gonna get ulcers worryin bout nuthin!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 6:16am
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Joe, you should make more of those. I bet they would sell! Nice work, that is a damn good weld!
------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 7:22am
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Joe if that engine was already broken in then you could use any old oil for the flushing but I'm of the belief that if it's still in the break-in process then you need to have good oil in it, even if it's just for a few minutes. I also think that all bets are off on the oil pressure as long as there is some water in that oil. I think it would be a hard call as to weather to get an oil test or to just run it and see if the pressure returns after another oil change. It will need to be brought up to temperature and kept there to remove all that moisture at some point IMO. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 8:57am
2x |
AJ wrote:Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 8:59am
| Joe I am in the crowd that saids do t worry about the pressure right now worry ab I UT getting that oil clean and all the water out of there that antifreeze will do bad things if you don't get it iut! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 9:01am
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Hey Ted,,,I'm goin to Wally World here in a minute and I'm gonna look for some of thet Shell Rotella and give it a whirl,,,,, Hey Thanks AJ,,,,,I did the stringer and hot pass with my old Lincoln and Hobart 7013 while rolling the housing on a CS rod. It being S/40 carbon steel,,,it oughta last a hundred years,,at least better than the pot metal one,,,,, Hey Stan,,,yeah,,the engine is still "breaking in" as it barely has 9 hours run time on it,, is why I'm so dang picky with it. Fingers crossed on the results with new oil (again) THANKS for all the kind words,,,,,,,, |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 11:16am
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My Dad farmed for over 50 years and always used Pennzoil. He NEVER had to have an engine overhauled. Guess what I've used for 40plus years? ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 12:02pm
They all meet the spec they are certified at. Older engines weren't so picky. With these newer engines you have to be certain the oil meets the manufacturer's specification. I ignore the Jiffy Lube places when they tell me I have to return for a change in 3000 miles. That's 1970s thinking. Either that or they use dirt cheap oil. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 12:09pm
| They use recycled crap oil so yes you need to get back there that soon.... or get it done somewhere that uses good oil and actually puts the drain plug back in... |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 6:19am
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Hey Guys,,,I think I got her solved,,,,!!! I have been a Pennzoil man for many many years and so far had not seen a reason to change,,,,until I read Don(MO)'s post on the zinc no longer being added in today's Pennzoil,,,I guess I just hadn't taken the time to actually "READ" what is NOT in their oil anymore. I see where this thread has generated another somewhat contentious thread bout lubricating oils and I want to add my .02 here and maybe on the other thread as well. Back when I was still getting paid for workin,,,I initiated a grass roots, In House, survey to "Standardize all the Lubricating Oils Used in the Refinery" There were several different divisions and seemed like every division used different viscosity,, grade and even different Brands of lube oils in their various rotating equipment, that were identical to others in other units,,!! Talk bout a CF,,,usually some pumphouse would run out on a weekend and NOBODY else had that same oil available,,,and when I got caught on Weekend Duty,,with that mess,,we had to dump a compressor reservoir so as not to mix the different lubes,,,and I decided we would no longer fight that battle. I worked with the techies from Mobile, Royal Purple and Pennzoil and after several weeks of studies and proposals,, we switched the entire refinery lube stocks to Pennzoil, primarily based on availability, Cost, with the zinc additive also being a consideration. All the Compressors were changed to Dexron II, which,,after some complaints and concerns from the different Mfgrs about the Dexron II in THEIR compressors,,,finally agreed that Dexron II WAS a viable replacement.... Long story short,,(yeah right),,as Don(mo) states,, the zinc in Pennzoil was for the older pre 1975(?) engines with the flat tappet camshafts and I had not realized that they no longer had the zinc in their oil, which is good to know when you have some of the older machinery that needs the zinc in their lubricating oils. I will continue to use the Pennzoil in my newer vehicles that DO NOT require the zinc,,,,,Ya hear thet Shameless,,,,? SO,,,,while at Walmart, the other day, I did some reading and ,,,,,,I brought home some,,,,,,,,,,,,Rotella in 15W 40 for the D14,,,,,, I had plumbed up a 0-60 pressure gauge right off the oil filter housing, and added the Rotella and put a spark in it and the gauge went to 35# and gradually came down to,,,,,,,,,,,,28# after engine was at operating temp,,,,I'm a HAPPY CAMPER again,,,,,,then I switched back to the old gauge,,,and it only goes to just under the "O" so thet gauge is findin itself a new home,,,,,,, Many " THANKS",,Guys,,, for all the help,,,and the kind words,,,, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 7:57am
| Joe you should just do like the job did and swap all yours over to the new stuff... lol |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 9:28am
| Whew, glad you have that problem fixed. Now when Shameless dumps 4 feet of snow on you, it'll be ready to move it. Off subject, a little, does that D 14 backhoe have the forward reverse shuttle shift on the big handle, or do you have to shift it to reverse in the transmission. ...? Darrel |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 9:53am
| Good job Joe. Glad you didn't do it the way I suggested. LOL |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 10:26am
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Hey Darrel,,,yeah,,it being an Industrial D14,,,it has the shuttle shift on the left side and I'll tell you,,,it sure is a handy thing to not have to shift the transmission,,,just move it forward or backards,,,, No problem Leon,,I just appreciate all comments and suggestions,,,,thas how I learn,, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 10:29am
| Joe I agree with you 100 percent on the shuttle shift I love that thing on my d15 just wish I had a third hand cause I got one on the shuttle shift one on the wheel and I need a third for the bucket controls..... |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2016 at 11:34pm
| I hope I learnt you a few things! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 4:23am
Shameless,,,you just ain't got NO IDEA just how much I learn'ded from you every day,,,,why,,,Sometimes I'm just plain speechless from the things I hear outa you,,,,,,!!!  |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 6:16am
| well good....glad i'm making sum headway! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 12:23pm
Somebody had this as their signature, I don't remember who it was, but........ Experience comes from mistakes. Mistakes come from no experience. AND Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. Then, there is one of mine I love to make a mistake, it means I'm doing something, even if it's wrong. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 5:15pm
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Well,,I just couldn't stand it and had to KNOW,,,so checked the water level,,,yep,,plumb full,,checked the oil,,,yep,,yep,,,plumb full of very pretty clean oil,,,,,startin to grin right bout now,,,,,,put a spark in it and she fired right up,,,,,,got one of those Dennis The Menace grins now,,,,,so took it for a spin round the neighborhood,,,got a few thumbs up,,,dang havin a hard time gettin the smile off this innocent face,,,neighbor thought I was laughin at him,,,just fed it more gas and away we went,,,,, got back to house bout 1/2 hour later and all is good,,,,I'm ready to put this thing to WORK diggin some holes,,,,,!!!Shore am GLAD to be a member of this great bunch of fine folks,,,,OH,,by the way,,,I'm buyin coffee at the coffee shop,,,,,the rest of the week,, and for the Black Label drinkers,,,the drinks are on me also,,,,,, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 8:18pm
| Glad to hear you got it going. I think it might take a few cups of coffee for me to make it to the shop to get the free cup. Lol. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2017 at 8:28pm
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IT WORKS!!   Now about that "Black Label" thing.........  Just cause I drink GOOD beer?? Last time I'm gonna help you..........till the next time.  ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2017 at 9:56am
Just reading back through some old posts and re-read this one...........
Aisn't it fun when a plan comes together and works!!!so thet gauge is findin itself a new home,,,,,,, [/QUOTE] It's working,,,,,,,,,,kinda. You could use it as a back up. Just label it an put it in a baggie for some kind of accident in the future...put a note in there that when it is on the 'O', it is about 28#s of pressure. As you know, I am one of them 'frugal' guys and I never throw NUTHIN away....BUT, cause you got other testing equip......you got my permission. Just DO NOT tell LES!!------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 6:47am
| Glad you stayed on the case and got it working to your satisfaction. While oil pressure could have been lower and been ok like in the other guys' experience, the fact yours dropped suddenly, and kind of a lot, would have been councernin' to me too! Nice work. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 8:51am
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Well,,Many thanks to all of youse guys,,,I just LOVE this tractor,,,Ya see,,this is the one that got me started on Allis Chalmers and sure glad it did,,,!!!! I still go out every mornin and start it up and let it run to get it warmed up,,,,just in case I "might" have something for it to do,,,,,,, Ya'll have a great day,,,!!!! Ooops,,,almost forgot,,,I do got "one More Thing",,,I still wanna improve the power steering on this tractor and thinkin bout copy'in ole Dave Kamp's design,,,or something similar,,,wish me luck,,, |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 9:28am
| well....I guess I could send that PS I have here, I could cut it up to fit in a smaller box, you can weld it back together when you gits it! |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 9:40am
| Shameless have you been helping Les with his truck like that too? Maybe we found the reason why those parts didn't look right after all. |