Allis 301 engine in 1655 Oliver?
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Topic: Allis 301 engine in 1655 Oliver?
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Subject: Allis 301 engine in 1655 Oliver?
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 3:46pm
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I am looking at an Oliver 1655 diesel that put a rod threw the block. Trying to search for a different engine to put in and I am wondering if a 301 Allis diesel could be swapped in?
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 4:07pm
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I'd stay with an Oliver engine, say one from 880/1650/1750/1755 or even 1855, but not one from 1850, you might get 301 to fit, one thing to look at first will be the flywheel/clutch P-plate, building a new engine plate to o/u drive then the PTO hub to bolt on the flywheel and use the 1655 clutch then engine mounts then water hoses to fit rad building a new air cleaner mounting bracket and intake line, drilling new holes in the hood for air and ex to fit the 301. It's doable just time. Look how close the fuel tank sits to the back of the engine, just thinking not saying it will not fit. Let us know if the 301 will fit, I'm not a fan of the old W engine bottom ends.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 4:11pm
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IIRC it's the 310 engine they used that had rod bolts and wrist pins that were problematic. I remember my ex father-in-law had an 1850 that had a rod window the block on both sides. I remember him saying it was running good then knock knock BANG. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 4:14pm
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The 1855 and 1955 were the oliver engines to stay away from unless the rod and main bolts were updated. The 1850 had a Perkins in it. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 5:21pm
| I don't know about the AC 301, but Hunley Repair & Diagnostics list a kit for a Cummins 5.9L 12v engine in an Oliver 1755. |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 5:38pm
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I am concerned that if I stay with the Oliver/Waukesha engine, the new engine might throw a rod again. I understand that the late 1650D and 1655D had 7 main bearings, but they were indirect injected. I would prefer to have a direct injection engine. I will have to take some measurements to see if it's possible. ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 6:43pm
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ive spent a lot of time with a 1655 Diesel. doesn't start too bad and has plenty of power and torque, though not near the performance of the 301, it holds its own far better than a 3020 will I think. id stick with a Oliver diesel ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2016 at 8:35pm
| The 1655 has a 283 in it. If the engine has been rebuilt, odds are it has the updated rod bolts and one piece wrist pin bushings in it. Once that is done, they are pretty trouble free. The direct injected engines are leaps and bounds ahead of the old indirect injected ones. The 17, 18 and 1855 have a 30 in them. The 1855 got a bad wrap from coming apart, mainly due to not having an oil cooler. That and bad rod bolts and bushings. The 1955 came from the factory, as did the late 1855, with the oil cooler. I have a 1655 that I rebuilt and did the updates and it has 6200 hard hours on it with no problems. We have 2 1855's that we rebuilt that are turning 125+ and a 1955 turning 160+ and have had no problems with any of them. The Wakasha is a good engine with one heck of a governor system and very rapid response, they just need the updates to last if worked. |
Posted By: OhKen
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 5:46pm
| I actually thought of doing this once and it stopped dead in its tracks , when the starter said NO . The Oliver has a bump out in the bell housing to accomodate the starter nose . As you set on the tractor this is on the right side . The 301 has the starter on the left side . No problem just switch to the right side ----well that's where the stop sign popped up ! The oil filters are on the right side and ruled out mounting the starter on that side ! If you really want a nice tractor put a cummins in it . The plus is it has been done by many and the really nice thing is it is seen as a value added swap . |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2016 at 10:45pm
| HA! The 301 in my 545B loader has the filters/cooler on left side of block and starter on rt side.Round up some industial parts.... |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 6:59am
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"I understand that the late 1650D and 1655D had 7 main bearings, but they were indirect injected. I would prefer to have a direct injection engine. " Just the opposite is true. All those Diesel engines did have 7 mains, but only the early 1650 engines had indirect injection. Late 1650 and all 1655 and 2-70 Whites had the 283 direct injection engine. |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 8:17am
Well you learn something new every day around here. Direct injection makes it alot more appealing. It might be ok to just find a block and one connecting rod. If a 301 engine would go in, I wonder if the Oliver transmission would handle 100hp, they seem pretty robust. ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
TramwayGuy wrote:Posted By: RMD
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 2:15pm
| I'm no expert, but I thought that Detroit Diesels were commonly used in Olivers? |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 2:59pm
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"I'm no expert, but I thought that Detroit Diesels were commonly used in Olivers?" Only a few models had Detroits. The Super 99 GM, 990, 995 all used the 3-71 Detroit. The model 1900 and 1950 (not 1950-T) used the 4-53 Detroit. |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 6:03pm
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Trammy has it right. The 995 lugmatic had a lot of overheating problems. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 4:18am
| Alex, a later waukesha is a darn good motor, either the 283 ci version like the later 1650s had, or the 310 version like the 1750 and up. A 1650 rearend will handle a 100 hp really well, don't worry about that. If you need a motor, I have a nice 283 and a 310 that will be available later towards spring, Im in wisconsin too! |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 8:30am
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Parts for the wak engines are hard to get. You can swap the tub and use a Perkins from another Ollie or a white or swap in a 5.9 cummins. I'd go cummins great swap and parts are plentiful. All Tim smith at smittys tractor parts he can fix you up with a "kit" to do it with mostly factory bolt in parts. (330)832-9792 ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 8:36am
If it was an 1850 it wasn't a 310 as the 1850 had the 354 Perkins |
Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 12:24pm
| 1850 tub does not bolt to a 1650 rear |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 6:02pm
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I managed to track down a replacement block for the 283 Waukesha engine, so I think I will be staying with the original engine. I will be keeping an eye out for a complete engine, might save a little time getting it operational.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 7:15pm
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There is a fellow in Wisconsin that sells lots of Oliver parts,engines etc on ebay. |