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Topic: Tractor opinions
Posted By: westfork
Subject: Tractor opinions
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2016 at 9:24pm
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I have always used/bought older implements and newer tractors. Was given a JD model A. The ease of maintenance of this machine has got me thinking. All my old implements are very easy to fix and keep going, New Tractors not so much. Seems I have to pay 100.00 or more per hour to get it worked on. Not having the ability to read the computer codes is a big minus. Thinking of cashing in my newer computer tractor for an older model. Right now I am running a 83 HP 4WD. My first cab tractor, which, once I got use to it is kind nice. But do not need a cab. My largest HP requirement is a 10 foot 3 pt tandem disk. Next are the round baler and disc mower which have 50 hp minimums. Also need a loader. Round baler requires 2 remotes. I produce my own Bio diesel, but thinking of giving propane a try. Do not want a gas. Would a D-17 LP fit my needs? |
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2016 at 9:28pm
| D17 would barely meet your HP requirements. You might want to look for a 180. There are some foreign tractors that aren't computerized. I believe Zetor is one, but dealers are scarce and most are in the 100+ HP range. I don't know if Kubota is computerized or not. |
Posted By: BigBadAllis
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 9:06am
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You're not going to have enough power 180 or 185 and even a 200 is a great option |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 9:59am
| My guess is that you could cash in your newer tractor and have enough to buy a d17 and 185. I would look for a series IV D17. It is nice to have a tractor for every implement. I would also look at a 6080. They came with open station or cab and FWA was an option too. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 12:58pm
| I would go for a good 185 or 200 with hydrulic PTO option, the D17 will be stretched to thin. These will handle most all needs. Kevin |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 1:23pm
| The question is what type of round baler. I have a 851 New Holland that I run with a series 4 diesel. It is slow but works. brakes on my D17 are good. used to be turned up some but since the pump rebuild I don't think so anymore. Unless you are having major problems with the bigger tractor, I would stick with it. |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 1:51pm
| why not get 2 tractors? Get the D17, and get another newer Allis with some more Ponies... |
Posted By: westfork
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 7:50pm
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Thanks for all of the ideas. Opened my eyes to something beyond the D series. The 60 series may fit my needs and comfort level. Answer the baler question- Vermeer 504F, 1983 model.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2016 at 8:31pm
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Not an AC but you might want to check out an Oliver 1650 be about perfect for your needs. |
Posted By: westfork
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 7:47am
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Looked at a Oliver 1800. More tractor than I need. Will keep an eye out for the 1600 series. Thanks
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Posted By: cpg
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 8:28am
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We run Olivers for the big tractors on our haying operation and they are nice to run. We have a 1655 that would be about what you need or rather than a D17, see if you can find a D19? We also have a 1755 that is a nice tractor. I do prefer the old ones myself for ease and cost of service. Even with parts sometimes being more expensive because there is a limited market it is still way cheaper than fixing computers and sensors with the laptop the dealer has. |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 8:36am
| I would stay away from the D19, looks good on paper until you add repair bills if you pull it hard. We had a diesel with turbo and was a short lived on our farm when I was a kid. Biggest plus, was very easy on fuel. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 12:01pm
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The 6060,6070 and 6080 were very good tractors. My dads 6060 has been a great tractor, bought new in 1981. In need of a clutch right now, but has been a fuel sipper with plenty of power. Was dynoed when new and it put out 82 hp well beyound the 63 advertised. The 6080 I'm sure put out close to 100 hp since they were intercooled. No computer on either tractor. Of course FWD was an option on both tractors. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 1:22pm
| Have had seven different Oliver tractors over the past 40 years. The 1600-1800's had questionable hydraulics and brakes. 50 series had better hydraulics...basically same brakes. 55 series had improved hydraulics with hydraulic assist brakes...much better deal. 310 diesel motors were decent unless turboed as in the 1855-1955. Still have one of the last built 1755's with factory ROPS cab with a/c. Very nice reliable tractor. |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2016 at 8:19pm
| where are you at in texas,westfork????? |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 9:58am
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If you really want LP, for that baler I would find a 190XT LP. The HP will be there, you get the hydraulic PD, and independent PTO, which is a minimum on that baler. It will do everything else you mentioned as well. If you decide not to go LP, then the diesel variant will work just as well. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 10:18am
| As much as I love my d17 which is gas I don't find the 226 very fuel efficient. It is a good tuff motor and I am rebuilding it but it uses alot of fuel. I don't that that would be much different with the LP it is still the same basic motor. I would agree with the guys saying look for a 185 it will be a bit more power and better on fuel. I would say drive an Oliver before you buy one. I looked at one an 1850 I think it had a blown motor so I didn't drive it but the 12 speed transmission had an odd shift pattern my uncle told me he was glad I didn't pick it up for short money because he never could get the hang of those shift patterns. I never got far enough with it to find out the owner thought it was worth too much in the end i think the scrapped it out instead of selling it. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 6:30pm
| I've always heard a D17 gas had 54hp. I would think a LP would have less. I don't know about a diesel D17, but I had a guy tell me once his had 80hp. That sounds a bit high to me, but like I said, I don't know. A gas D17 should pull a small roller, I use a 55hp New Holland to pull a 4x5 roller myself. A D17 will pull a 10ft disc fine. I've got a heavy Oliver wheel carrying disc we pulled with a D17 a lot. But I'm not sure about a 3pt hitch disc. You might have trouble lifting and carrying it. I didn't even know they made 3pt disc that big. I'd say you be better off with a bigger tractor. |
Posted By: westfork
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 7:00pm
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Thanks for all of the information. J.W.- I am on the Westfork of the Trinity river, between Chico and Jacksboro. Thought about a D-19LP, but was concerned about the hydraulics.
The 190 looks like a possibility. LP may be tough to find. The Olivers also look interesting. But was drifting towards AC, don't know why. Have a Model 72 All Crop Harvester. Orange/orange thing maybe. Anyway, been researching everyones ideas. Gives me a lot more options. Thanks |
Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2016 at 7:38pm
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There's a 65(?) LPG 190 up at Bristow, Ok on the west edge of town on Hwy 66, if it's still there. Been there the last few years that I've traveled by there going home to Mo. Has a cab but no windows. Oh yeah, it also had the big donut weights bolted to the inside of the rear wheels, too. Or, it did when I looked at it a few years ago. ------------- How blessed we are by HIS GRACE! |
Posted By: WNYBill
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2016 at 9:04am
| The 6000 series are a great recommendation. Just remember it is a Fiat tractor with the best Allis engine AND make sure the PTO clutch works properly. They have a weird duel clutch. 6060 has 8 speeds and the 6070 and 6080 have 12. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2016 at 1:08pm
| 190 xtd series lll will be good power, easy to handle, good fuel miles, and easy to get around with!---I have one and small acres are no problem for it! LOL!!! thanks; ac fleet |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2016 at 8:01pm
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ive spent a lot of time on a 1655 diesel with a 18 speed hydraul-shift. good tractor. not too bad on diesel. biggest thing I didn't like about it was the PTO, but the clutches on it where shot and we had the lever adjusted so you really had to shove it back to keep the baler off. 190 XT would be the ideal tractor for you I think. you can pull bigger stuff in the future as well ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2016 at 5:56am
| I don't know how much money you will have to spend but an 8010 powershift would be a really nice choice too. Might be a little overkill but they have the nicest cabs for their time. Big roomy and quiet. |
Posted By: westfork
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2016 at 7:37am
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Spent some time searching on the internet the last few days. question- Some conflicting information. When changing from a forward gear to reverse will the PTO continue running on the 190. The hay baler does not have a kicker. Have to back up 10 feet or so to drop the bale.
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Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2016 at 11:44am
| Can't answer on the 190, the 200 and the 185 stop when you use the foot clutch. We use a vermeer 504SG and tie off by using the director on the 185 & 200. Back up without machine running, can shift the 185 with using director. Check your hydrulic pressure on the 190 if you go that route, don't know how fast it will take to open the rear door? |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2016 at 12:07pm
| I would think that round baling without a kicker on a 190 would be a pain. Starting and stopping the baler won every bale to backup? |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:38am
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You can make some huge power out of a D17 gas, fuel consumption will suffer badly though. I've got a D17 engine in a WD45 that was dynoed at 70 hp. It will burn a tank of fuel in no time. You can't hardly hook it to the ground to hurt the drivetrain but you have to be careful about what you run with the PTO. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:42am
| I totally believe you on the 70 hp because my d17 does way more work then I have any right to expect of it but yes she does like to drink. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 6:16pm
I bale with a New Holland 851 and almost never back up,just eject the bale and then pull forward a little to let the door clear and go again.It bunches the windrow a little but not enough to hurt anything. |
Allis dave wrote:Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 6:20pm
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70 HP on a gas D17 is a little hard to believe unless its had some major engine work,no way a D17 is close to my D19 gas(72HP) or even my Oliver 1650 diesel (67HP) |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 7:46pm
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"When changing from a forward gear to reverse will the PTO continue running on the 190." I'm pretty sure the answer is no. You need a newer tractor with a "true" live pto |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 9:55pm
Every roll I've ever rolled was behind a 185 or D19. You don't have to stop the baler to back up. Just use the hand clutch. |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 10:05pm
It's had some work, .125 overbore, cam grind, M&W pistons, and some other things. It's also capable of turning more rpm than stock. The engine was in my pulling tractor. When I decided to build another engine for it, I put the engine in the tractor I use around the farm. About all I do with it is pull a wagon or rake hay. |