Grain drill setting for beans
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Topic: Grain drill setting for beans
Posted By: JFREED
Subject: Grain drill setting for beans
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 5:45pm
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Dad picked up a international 510 drill set on 7 inch spacing. We are going to plug every other hole for 14 inch rows. The chart under lid says set at 'x' for 'y' population. Do we double 'x' for split rows or leave it the same ? I just can't wrap my mind around doubling the setting,that's alot of seed in a row. Thanks
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Posted By: KJCHRIS
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 7:05pm
You're going to a seed rate of 1/2 what the chart says when you plug every other hole. You need to set rate on chart at double what you want to actually plant. Yes, on paper it looks like a lot of beans. We did that several years ago on a JD 8300 drill..
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Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 2:55am
You generally need a little less population in wider rows and when planting them at the right time and into good or better conditions. More seed generally needed if really early or really late or poor seedbed. I have seen good crops from 110,000 drilled plants that looked really bad as seedlings. Our drill is on 8 inch spacings.
We aim for a certain population of beans then do the math to get pounds needed for the desired population. Beans in 7 inch rows look really ragged at lower populations (like 140,000/acre or lower) early because they tend to not singulate and space well. Bean yields can be pretty good in about any row width/ans sometimes at lower population and sometimes wide rows out do narrower and other times or years or plant dates it is the opposite.
I think the 15 inch rows are popular because they space the seed out in the row and most 15 inch rows are planted with a planter that does a great job of putting most of the seed in the ground at the desired depth resulting in some economy regarding seed used and plants at harvest. Also planters may be have a few less wear parts compared to the acres they plant making them a popular choice for some. The common seeding rates result in seeds spaced at 2 to 3 inches in the row so they do emerge well and look nice early.
So if I were wanting to use the drill I would drill them in 7 inch rows and aim for a rate that gets 140,000/acre plants out of the ground. probably 160,000 or so at seeding. Mathematically that is one seed every 5.6 inches in 7 inch rows. If you miss one seed being in its place another plant tends to fill it's place. See what mother nature sends you and hope for the best.
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Posted By: mruhlig77
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 10:37am
You need to jack up the drill and turn the wheel 18 ft... and catch the seed of one row....this would be 100th acre for 30" rows...then do the math...I think mine was either 2.5 or 3.5 turns when I calibrated it....I have also done this to calibrate fertilizer...If you catch the beans in a dish pan...easy to count....fertilizer, need to weigh....Repeat a few times to be sure....Mark
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 12:33pm
Posted By: JFREED
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 1:50pm
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Thanks guys. Only plant 35 acres with a jd 7000 conser til, 4 row-30 inch. Takes a long time and alot of clutching on the 180 to split row beans. Picked up the drill cheap to save time and gas. The 180 is a '69 gasser
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Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 2:03pm
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I think the drill is a good idea. Maybe plant some in 30's and compare for yourself. Saw a small patch of 30's this summer that a guy grew and it looked like maybe no herbicide. Had a set of cultivators may have been front mounts on a later model two cylinder deere. We had a wet July and it was a good reminder of why we don't do it that way anymore. Patch may have been too small to spray. rw
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 6:41am
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JFREED, Well, good luck to you, and I hope it turns out as you like. Are you looking to go organic or plant very cheap (not RR) seed? Just wondering,...for every benefit of narrow rows (canopy), there's a benefit of wider rows (planter works better than a drill, mold resistance). With Michigan's potential rain and humidity, I plant 30's and do very well with yields. All the trials around here are within a couple of bu/acre, and not always on the side of the narrow rows. Your call of course, and good luck.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 6:49am
Gained 3-4 bushels going from drilled beans to planting with a planter on 19 inch centers.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2016 at 10:32am
I no till drilled 8" rows for more than 15 years until I had white mold on a couple fields. It cut the yield on those fields to less than half, so I started planting no till in 30" rows and didn't see any yield loss over drilling and saved a lot on seed.
That said, in this area 15" rows consistently average a couple bushel or better than 30" rows and some times much better. Of course the 15" rows are planted not drilled. The drill you are working with won't give you the depth control, metering or seed to soil contact that you have now.
Have you considered planting in a diamond pattern? My brother in law used to do that, he had small irregular shaped fields and instead of trying to split rows he would plant the field at an angle and then turn around and plant the second time at roughly 45 degrees to the first rows. You get the same benefits as split rows and he says it's easier to plant and you spray like it was broadcast seeded. Once it canopies it looks like it was broadcast seeded.
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Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 9:53am
Lots to consider, Where I work we have done 12 in, 24 inch, and 30 inch. Some planted with planter others with air seeder, (Concord). over the years cannot say one is better than other, depends alot on previuos crop and what residue you are planting into but no significant difference.
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Posted By: JFREED
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2016 at 6:34pm
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Thanks for all the input. We are done with rr beans, have LL ordered. Planting bean on beans this coming spring,already fall chiseled. Victoryallis has me thinking about 21 inch rows though.
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